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Re: [mythsoc] Edouard Kloczko, the linguistic specialist of the Mythsoc !

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  • WendellWag@aol.com
    I know that we ought to feel angry about this, but in a way we should also feel honored. When a con man decides to pretend to be you or to be a significant
    Message 1 of 31 , Sep 11, 2012
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      I know that we ought to feel angry about this, but in a way we should also feel honored.  When a con man decides to pretend to be you or to be a significant member of your organization, that's actually a kind of back-handed tribute to how important you or your organization are.  I await the next E-mail I get which, instead of saying, "I am a Nigerian prince.  I have $25,000,000 in a bank account that I need your assistance in moving to another country.  I will give you 20% of this if you help me," instead says, "I am a member of the Council of Stewards of the Mythopoeic Society.  I have $25,000,000 in a bank account that I need your assistance in moving to another country.  I will give you 20% of this if you help me."
       
      Wendell Wagner
       
      In a message dated 9/11/2012 5:05:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drussy@... writes:
       

      Hi all !

      Edouard Kloczko, who's been active regarding Tolkien's invented languages for quite a long time, has just published a new book. We have just skimmed through _Le Haut-Elfique pour les débutants_ (The High Elvish for beginners), and cannot comment on the theories therein - except that he's still clinging to the idea that the Qenya from the Lost Tales period corresponds to a hypothetical "Fourth-Age Late Quenya", and presenting this theory as Tolkien's own, from what we have seen (see message #1089 of David Giraudeau on lambengolmor about this global theory).

      What really irritates us is the man oversized ego. (We can't find a superlative strong enough, as a matter of fact.) Not content to present himself as "the only linguist studying the constructed languages of J.R.R. Tolkien at the university of Aix-en-Provence" (the original sentence that can also mean that he is the only
      linguist studying Tolkien's languages...), he's not above deceiving his readers. Thanks to the fact that he has published a couple linguistic notes in Mythprint (and presenting himself as the responsible of the linguistic column), he indeed claims to be "the official specialist of Elvish Languages of the largest American society of Tolkien's fans, the Mythopoeic Society."

      We would find that laughable if it wasn't somewhat outrageous. Due to his continuous self-promotion, Kloczko is still considered a "specialist" of Elvish languages by the French mass media, despite having published almost no academic research in this field. His deceptive claims can only strengthen his position, unless they are
      refuted.

      Vivien Stocker and Damien Bador

    • Patrick Wynne
      Good lord — Edouard has really gone off the rails. How sad, both for him personally, and for the unsuspecting reader who might not realize what hogwash
      Message 31 of 31 , May 25, 2013
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        Good lord — Edouard has really gone off the rails. How sad, both for him personally, and for the unsuspecting reader who might not realize what hogwash Kloczko's book contains. Thank you for the excellent commentary.

        On May 25, 2013, at 8:01 AM, "David Giraudeau" <davidkiks@...> wrote:

         

        Hi all,

        in order to clarify our comments (mine, but also those of Vincent Ferré or Vivien Stocker) on Edouard Kloczko's statements, behaviour and last book (Fr. "Le haut elfique pour les débutants", Eng. "High Elvish for Beginners"), I made a quick English translation of my study of this book.

        It is available here:

        http://lambenore.free.fr/downloads/HED_eng.pdf

        Cordially,

        David


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