Re: [mythsoc] Baynes' Narnia
- In a message dated 09/06/2000 8:08:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Speaking of the MereLewis list, btw, what's happened to it?Nobody knows what has happened to the listowner. There is a non-moderated
> There was a brief flurry of activity a few months back (after a
> long hiatus), and then silence again.
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- David Lenander wrote, in two messages:
>The single volumeThe colored pictures are also in a seven-volume paperback set (available
>edition is the only one I've seen so far to feature colored editions of the 7
separately and boxed) published by HarperCollins U.K. in 1998.
>It's surprisingly easy to use and compact, all things considered.the
>Of course you lose the original design of the volumes, with the illustrations
>laid out with some sense, not that this edition is as stupidly laid out as
>deluxe _Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe_, which included the originalblack and
>white illustrations supplemented with new full-color plates. I wouldn't bethink
>without this one, either, simply because I like the new Baynes illustrations.
>However, the larger-format book destroys the original format, plus the glossy
>paper stock resulted in the ink for the black and white illustrations (I
>blown-up from original size, but I'm working from memory here, and I might beBaynes'
>wrong about that) pooling on the page before drying and the details of
>lines are often obscured. Baynes had done the new plates on spec, and I'mhappy
>that the publisher published this edition, but it was done stupidly. Andthey
>told her (reportedly) that they didn't want to do the rest of theChronicles in
>this format.I don't find anything particularly wrong with the layout of the deluxe LWW,
and the poor reproduction quality of the black and white pictures didn't
result from the glossy paper but from degradation of the art since the
fifties, being reproduced over and over again, from reproduction to
reproduction as the original art has been mostly dispersed. The black and
whites are only good to poor in most other editions and printings of the
Narnia books, following the first few printings of the original U.K.
editions. (The American editions didn't include the full number of
illustrations that were published in Britain.) The black and whites in the
deluxe LWW in fact vary in size relative to the first edition, some
pictures larger, some smaller.
However, the glossy paper did give an unfortunate shine to the pictures,
particularly the color ones. Pauline remarked on it, compared to the same
color illustrations as reproduced much more nicely, on a beautiful
off-white matte finish stock, for the Narnia Calendar that came out the
same time as the original (1991) printing of the deluxe LWW. The exception
in the book is the superb endpapers which show Narnia coming out of winter
And yes, HarperCollins did decide not to publish any more of the Narnia
books in the same deluxe format, which I regret very much.
>My favorite editions are the Puffin paperbacks that WayneTwo different boxes, in fact, at different times.
>mentioned, which my former roommate brought back to me from the U.K. in the
>mid-70s. These featured full-color covers by Baynes, along with a box.
>Even inhere. I
>reduced format-size I still love these. Unfortunately, the paper stock is
>yellowing and brittle, and I'm reluctant to let Claire read them except under
>strict observation. I recommend the one-volume edition with the colored
>illustrations as the best reading copy for children currently available
>think that the color does appeal to the children reading them for the firstI would think the one-volume edition unwieldy for small hands, though of
>time, even though in some ways I'm rather torn about the loss of the pristine
course sturdier for hard use. I wonder about the appeal of color, though.
When black and white illustrations are well done, as by Baynes, or Shepard,
for example, they have quite a lot of appeal without needing color, and I
believe that children quite as well as, or even better than, adults pick up
(subconsciously) on quality draftsmanship and design.
>I visited the site Wayne mentioned, and while I didn't have time to reallyActually only four of the seven volumes in the Puffin editions were
>explore it all, apparently the new paperback edition with Baynes color
>jackets is already out in the U.S. The format is "digest-size," which means
>they are larger than the Puffins I have, and may explain why the box is
>clearly NOT the original art done on the Puffin edition, but simply some of
>the cover art adapted for the box. (Alas). The format may be better for the
>interior art than my old Puffins, though we shall see.... I worry that since
>Pauline had designed wrap-around covers for the Puffins, the new ones may
>dispense with the back illustration as the format is different.
complete wraparounds. The other three had solid-color spines interrupting
the front and back cover art. Later Puffin had all solid-color spines.
(Pauline did a number of wraparounds for Puffin. Her 1961 _Hobbit_ is
probably the most famous. Her _Borrowers_ covers were good too, though
there Puffin eventually dispensed with the back cover art in favor of
>Interestingly, the page also shows the the other editions are beingThere was an introduction in the original, but by Brian Sibley. I see, by
>re-released (as of next week?), with a new jacket on the deluxe LWW, for
>instance, and an into by Doug Gresham to the one-volume (or was there an
>intro in the original that I'm just forgetting?).
the way, assuming that the graphic on the Narnia.com website is correct,
that the British one-volume edition with the colored art now has a jacket
like the American one-volume, based on Pauline's poster map of Narnia.
Originally it was based on the winter-to-spring endpaper, nice but not as
dramatic -- though more graphically interesting than the largely black and
gold jacket on the other one-volume edition HarperCollins published in
1998, for the adult market, with only black and white illustrations (or
some of them).
- Hey, does this mean we can change the "Aslan" award from the
expensive library lion statues to a bunch of stuffed animals?
Lisa, you know how the treasurer always has to keep an eye on the
> In a message dated 9/6/00 7:21:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Wayne.G.Hammond@... writes:
> << In 2002, the house will launch an all-new series of original
> stories based on the world of Narnia, for ages four and up, at
> which time the licensing effort will expand into toys, plush,
> games and apparel." >>
> Oh, gag me with a spoon. Aslan is not a tame lion, but, hey,
> now he's a squeezable toy for kids.
- Stolzi@... wrote:
> In a message dated 09/06/2000 8:08:19 PM Central Daylight Time,Thanks, Mary! I went ahead and signed up.
> margdean@... writes:
> > Speaking of the MereLewis list, btw, what's happened to it?
> Nobody knows what has happened to the listowner. There is a non-moderated
> e-groups list around, put together by members who dug up a list of names, -
> not all of them of course, particularly the lurkers. Obviously, mine was
> Go here http://www.egroups.com/group/MereLewis2 for more.
- All this information is leaving me lost at sea. So far I'm gathering that
the best purchase in terms of art quality and book quality is the all-in-one
book? Or is there a boxed set that can really compete? I'd much prefer a
This one that Wayne mentioned: The most interesting repackaging is
the series in seven paperbacks whose covers reproduce Pauline's cover art
for the old Puffin Books edition, which was never sold in the U.S. -- Does
that have nice illustrations throughout?
I still haven't been to the site. Just haven't been online much this week.
And if there's half the information there that there is here lately, I'll
just get more confused. LOL. Need to touch them all to see them properly I
- In a message dated 09/06/2000 4:21:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< In 2002, the house will launch an all-new
series of original stories based on the world of Narnia, for ages four and
up, at which time the licensing effort will expand into toys, plush, games
>>In India, Hindus have worshipped the cow for centuries.
In America, we have a sacred cow as well; it's called the Cash Cow. The calf
is always golden in the land of the free, where the unofficial state religion
is Mammon-worship. Nothing else is sacred. The only value anything has is its
money-making potential. Oh say can you see all the i-dol-a-try?
Sorry...letting my intense disgust run away with me.
- In a message dated 09/06/2000 6:08:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< Speaking of the MereLewis list, btw, what's happened to it?
There was a brief flurry of activity a few months back (after a
long hiatus), and then silence again. >>
It has been resurrected under new ownership; same old wonderful discussion,
though. You can reach it at:
><< In 2002, the house will launch an all-newreligion
> series of original stories based on the world of Narnia, for ages four and
> up, at which time the licensing effort will expand into toys, plush, games
> and apparel."
>In India, Hindus have worshipped the cow for centuries.
>In America, we have a sacred cow as well; it's called the Cash Cow. The calf
>is always golden in the land of the free, where the unofficial state
>is Mammon-worship. Nothing else is sacred. The only value anything has isits
>money-making potential. Oh say can you see all the i-dol-a-try?In fact, HarperCollins is a multinational corporation with its main offices
in the U.K., and C.S. Lewis Pte Ltd. is also based outside the U.S.
- In a message dated 09/09/2000 1:22:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
> It has been resurrected under new ownership; same old wonderful discussion,MereLewis is back at least for now, non-moderated. The ML2 crowd is trying
> though. You can reach it at:
to move the discussion back to the original list. But will probably hold ML2
in reserve for future problems that may occur.