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Re: Types, Stereotypes and Archetypes.

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  • tuhonbillmcg
    ... Thank you, thank you, thank you! That needed to be said. -Bill McGrath
    Message 1 of 33 , Jan 30, 2012
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      --- In mythsoc@yahoogroups.com, scribbler@... wrote:
      > I understand the point Alana is making here, but as a specialist in mythic
      > motifs and structures, I REALLY wish people would stop using the word
      > "archetypes" when they really do mean "stereotype".
      > An archetype is a template of deep meaning. How well the archetype is
      > manifested is dependant on the writer's ability. But the use of an
      > archetype is neither good nor bad, neither shallow nor deep. An archetype
      > carries a particular meaning.
      > A stereotype, on the other hand, is a flattened out version of anything,
      > generalized, conforming to some easy pattern, and most often lacking in
      > depth of any sort. A stereotype feels like cardboard.
      > Just because a character is a mentor, for instance, that does not make him
      > a stereotype. The archetype - functioning as a mentor - has significance
      > to the story overall. An pseudo-Gandalf who only does whizbang in the
      > immediate story, THAT is a stereotype. Or if you want to be specific - a
      > stereotype OF the archetype.
      > Archetypes are things you WANT in your story -- especially if they are
      > well written. Sometimes you even NEED them. Stereotypes, on the other
      > hand, nobody wants.
      > Here endeth the lesson from the crazed mythographer. :D

      Thank you, thank you, thank you! That needed to be said.

      -Bill McGrath
    • Margaret Dean
      I just got an email from Kent State Press saying they d shipped mine! :) It s been backordered for ... a while now. --Margaret Dean margdean56@gmail.com On
      Message 33 of 33 , Feb 13, 2012
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        I just got an email from Kent State Press saying they'd shipped mine!  :)  It's been backordered for ... a while now.
        --Margaret Dean
        On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Doug Kane <dougkane@...> wrote:

        It has come to my attention that Verlyn Flieger's new book, Green Suns and Faërie: Essays on J.R.R. Tolkien is now available for purchase, both directly from the publisher, Kent State University Press, and from Amazon and other retailers.  This book was originally due to be published last August, but was delayed by the publisher.  It doesn't seem to have been well publicized that the book is now available, so I thought I would spread the word.  I obviously don't need to emphasize how perceptive Verlyn's observations about Tolkien are.  Most of you are well aware of that fact!

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