Re: [mythsoc] Re: The Coalbiters
- "Wayne G. Hammond" & Christina Scull <Wayne.G.Hammond@...> wrote:
> Carpenter's biography is more reliable by virtueBoth because of the occasional inaccuracies in Carpenter's Tolkien biography
> of his access to all of the Tolkien papers and because it was vetted
> by persons with their own authority, though with Carpenter too we
> corroborated as much as possible, and caught him out on a few points.
(often due to sources unavailable or unabsorbable by him) and because of the
brevity of what's intended as a narrative biography, I consider its value as
a reference work to have been eclipsed by the Companion & Guide. There is
nothing one would want to look up for factual reference in the biography
that isn't also in the latter. The biography's value now is as a brief,
readable, and reliable account of Tolkien's life, personality, and creative
goals. In this it still far outclasses any competing works of its kind.
Carpenter's _The Inklings_ has not been superceded in this way. Glyer's
_The Company They Keep_, though vital as a deeper and more sophisticated
analysis of the Inklings' intergroup relations and influences, is not
intended as a full history of the group or as a complete factual reference
> Grotta's principal source for his account seems to have been NevillWhich Carpenter seems not to have used, and to whatever extent (limited, as
> (note correct spelling) Coghill, from whose testimony (in an oral
> history recorded soon after Tolkien's death) he extrapolated at
you note) it's useful, it was the principal reason to consult Grotta prior
to the publication of C&G.
> From the Companion and Guide you could know that in December 1927This raises a point that puzzles me. She is described as an advanced
> Tolkien was appointed the supervisor of Helen McMillan (note correct
> spelling) Buckhurst, an advanced student, whose thesis was to be The
> Historical Grammar of Old Icelandic. She was, for a time, a Fellow
> and English language tutor at St Hugh's College, Oxford.
student on p. 143 (1927) and a former Fellow of St. Hugh's on p. 150 (1929).
John Rateliff says she held her position at St. Hugh's 1926-30, so if that's
accurate, query "former". Also, if it's accurate, her appointment as Fellow
came before her becoming an advanced student, and if not it's hard to cram
the Fellowship in between the presumable completion of her thesis and 1929,
also suggesting it came before. But this seems chronologically backwards to
my limited understanding of practices in these matters, so: more generalized
"Michael Martinez" <michael.martinez@...> wrote:
>I don't think there is a definitive list for the CoalbitersThere isn't. Lazo's list of known Coalbiters (Braunholtz, Bryson, Coghill,
Dawkins, Gordon, Lewis, McFarlane, Onions, and Tolkien; derived, I suppose,
from Carpenter) is the best we have.
There's no definitive list of Inklings, either, by the way. Carpenter's
list is, again, of known full members, omitting guests and peripherals, and
absent anyone we don't have a record of, of whom there could be quite a few
in the early years, perhaps.