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Re: [mythsoc] NPR top 100 Science Fiction and Fantasy titles poll

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  • Darrell A. Martin
    ... Greetings: I will readily, and cheerfully, admit that my definition of SF is idiosyncratic. It was an answer to the question Margaret asked, What is
    Message 1 of 31 , Aug 3, 2011
      On 8/3/2011 9:52 PM, Larry Swain wrote:
      > Well said. To give Darrell a slight break, 1984 has 2 of his 4 elements
      > (though he only counts one), making it on his own terms SF. I suspect he
      > would question my inclusion of technology in the book, but in 1949, that
      > technology was grand stuff and highly speculative, not "mere" extension
      > of what was then known.


      I will readily, and cheerfully, admit that my "definition" of SF is
      idiosyncratic. It was an answer to the question Margaret asked, "What is
      *your* definition of SF? Or maybe I should ask, what do you consider to
      be its qualifying features?" [emphasis in her original] I not only admit
      but affirm it is not even a formula that *I* can apply without
      certainty. And it is not exactly the same question as whether a title
      belongs on the PBS top 100 SF&F list, either.

      I did not expect my try at defining SF to identify a consensus. For
      example, I do not consider extrapolative dystopias to be SF. Is there a
      lot of fiction which is both SF and dystopic? Of course! Do many
      consider all dystopic literature to be a sub-genre of SF? It appears so.
      I disagree, which proves precisely nothing.

      Four specific points:

      First, "Frankenstein" is a great novel. One may call it SF if one
      wishes, with my blessing. A good case can be made that it is.

      Next, you suspect correctly that I question the inclusion of technology
      in identifying "1984" as SF. The telescreens are merely televisions with
      cameras. Over 19,000 TV sets were made in the U.K. *before* WW2. They
      were commercially available beginning in 1928; "1984" was published in
      1949. (That's longer than from the proposal to create the WorldWideWeb
      [sic] to now.) I do not recall anything else important to the story that
      involves a future technology as a necessary component, but it has been a
      long time since I last read the book.

      "Flowers for Algernon" is about a mental state, or rather the effects of
      an altered mental state. However, I said "obliquely" and "for me,
      questionable". So, if you question me, I guess you agree [grin].

      Last, I adapted a quote attributed to Damon Knight on defining SF by
      observation, but not because that is the only thing he said. Neither of
      us stopped there, although he probably put more thought into his list
      than I did mine. I would adopt his time travel element, e.g. However, I
      do not think catastrophe stories are inherently "SF-ish". The same can
      be said about SF and catastrophes as about SF and dystopian fiction. In
      fact, I suspect that dystopic, catastrophic, and post-apocalyptic
      literature have more in common with each other than with what *-I-* call
      SF. And I remain unapologetic about not using what I called "mere"
      extrapolation to identify SF.

      For what little it may be worth,

    • Alana Joli Abbott
      On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Lisa Harrigan
      Message 31 of 31 , Aug 4, 2011
        On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Lisa Harrigan <auntie_m_groups@...> wrote:
        Most of these should not be on a Best of All Time list, because they are
        Brand New, some trilogies have not even had book 3 printed yet, Series.
        How do they get on a Best of All Times List?

        This is a fair point. I do think it's valid to want to include things that are new, so you get the full range of classic to contemporary. But series that aren't completed yet really shouldn't qualify.


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