Re: [mythsoc] Ralph and Tumulty 2 Names
- On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, dale nelson <extollager2006@...> wrote:
> 2.I had assumed Charles Williams invented the last name of his villain in War in Heaven and Many Dimensions, Giles Tumulty. But recently I learned that Woodrow Wilson's secretary was named Joe Tumulty. So it's a real name; and I suppose it is even possible that CW saw the secretary's name and relished its appropriateness for a bad guy.One of the frequent panelists on PBS's "Washington Week" is Karen Tumulty.
- 'Rafe' is definitely the medieval pronunciation. I assume Morris was aware of this, but I'm not sure offhand of any specific evidence to that effect.Funny that, even knowing that, I think of the Well's hero's name as 'ralff' not 'rafe'On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:27 PM, dale nelson wrote:
- Or to pick an example that's more well known (at least to me it is), the actor Ralph Fiennes pronounces it /Rafe/.WendellIn a message dated 6/19/2011 10:27:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, extollager2006@... writes:
1.We pronounce composer Vaughan Williams's first name, Ralph, as Rafe.
- "dale nelson" <extollager2006@...> wrote:
> 1.We pronounce composer Vaughan Williams's first name, Ralph, as Rafe. SoI understand that "Rafe" is the standard English pronunciation, at least
> hero of William Morris's The Well at the World's End: Pronounce it "ralph"
> "rafe"? Can anyone settle that question? I always heard it as "ralph,"
> but I
> wonder if Morris did.
before Americanisms infected the language. I've always assumed Morris's
hero was Rafe.
By the way, not everybody knows how to pronounce RVW's first name, and among
those who don't was the pre-concert lecturer at a performance of "A Sea
Symphony" I recently attended. I wanted to make a big sign reading "IT'S
PRONOUNCED 'RAFE'" and hold it up.
> 2.I had assumed Charles Williams invented the last name of his villain inIf it's an existing name, CW could easily have seen it somewhere else too.
> War in
> Heaven and Many Dimensions, Giles Tumulty. But recently I learned that
> Wilson's secretary was named Joe Tumulty. So it's a real name; and I
> suppose it
> is even possible that CW saw the secretary's name and relished its
> appropriateness for a bad guy.
Absent further evidence, I rate this scenario even less likely than the idea
that Tolkien was inspired by Theodore "The Man" Bilbo.