Re: [mythsoc] Joseph Pearce on Tolkien
- Let me start by saying this: My comments below are in no way a
support of Pearce's reading. I'll make a separate post on that
one. Just correcting a few things:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:26 -0700, "David Bratman"
"Carl F. Hostetter" <Aelfwine@...> wrote:
>> His clinching proof is that the quest ends on March 25, atraditional
>> calendarAnnunciation, which
>> date for the Crucifixion and also the Feast of the
>> says is a more important date in the Church calendar than
>> (BerniUntil the late 19th century it was such a day.
>> assures me this is _not_ the case,
> Well, that depends on what one means by "important".
>It's not a Holy Day of Obligation.
>> Historically, the date of the Annunciation was also regardedas the date
>> of: thepassing of
>> Crucifixion; the creation of Adam; the Fall of Lucifer; the
>> Israel throughdate _itself_
>> the Red Sea; and the (near) immolation of Isaac, and so the
>> is indeedJust as importantly, at least in the West due to Augustine, it was not
>> in this aspect more important than that of Dec. 25.
only the creation of Adam and Eve, but the date of the Fall.
The festival in Latin, btw, is called Festum Incarnationis, Festival of
the Incarnation. Historically, the date is quite important indeed, and
in comparison to Christmas as to importance, that would greatly depend
on the period one is speaking of since that has changed and shifted over
>>And it'd be perfectly possible for Pearce to make any points hewants about
the importance of March 25th as a date without throwing in this
the Annunciation being more important than Christmas. In an
Frodo's trek as the Via Dolorosa, the only relevance of the
its tie to the traditional belief that it was _also_ the date of
Crucifixion. (Which has to be approached in this roundabout way
while the date to celebrate the Annunciation is fixed, the
Crucifixion is of
course commemorated as a movable feast and not on a specific
Nonetheless, at least since the third century, March 25 was the accepted
date of the crucifixion. The reason that Good Friday as commemoration
of the crucifixion is moveable is because of Passover and the lunar
calendar, calculating the date of Easter in reference to Passover,
predates the commemoration of March 25 by a couple of centuries.
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I think your objection to Pearce, in that he did not mention Tolkien's
disavowal of something he (Pearce) stated as a fact, is on target. My
own focus -- which is why I early on changed the Subject line to remove
Pearce -- was on whether or not Tolkien's disavowal was definitive.