Re: [mythsoc] Re: Tolkien cartoon
- I am ambiguous about this issue because of the nature of 'The Legendarium', one of the terms Tolkien himself used in referring to his work. If we were talking about a published work or series of works and C. Tolkien was publishing first drafts this objection would have more force. This is a review of the process by which an extremely talented sub-creator/artist developed a form of mythology over his lifetime. It is not the same as publishing random notes for individual books. If nothing else we see the (?) sub-creative (?) process at work.
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From: hoytrand <randy@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:01:22 PM
Subject: [mythsoc] Re: Tolkien cartoon
I feel that it is worth mentioning that publishing work posthumously
(especially work that an author did not feel was fit for publication)
is a seriously problematic endeavor. I don't just mean that it is
difficult: there are very good objections *against* doing it at all.
If I remember correctly, Christopher Tolkien later decided that
publishing *The Silmarillion* in the form he did (without any frame)
was not the right thing to do.
Don't get me wrong; I am *very* grateful for what he has done. I fully
admit that the cartoons most likely originated in an inappropriate
ignorance and disrespect towards Christopher Tolkien's work. But maybe
-- just maybe -- the cartoonist is much more thoughtful about the
situation and cognizant of the fundamental problems inherent in this
type of project. Even if not, I think the cartoons could provide a
good opportunity for us to have a thoughtful discussion about those
(This is my first post to the list, so please don't lambast me! Though
I admit I got my flame-shield out of the cellar before writing this. :~)
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- I think David Emerson's comment about posthumous works being clearly
presented as original drafts and working papers intended for scholarly
access is a very helpful clarification; David Bratman said something
similar. I'm much more familiar with posthumous publications like *The
Silmarillion* -- where the editor polishes up the work and presents it
as the author's own -- than with publications like *The History of
Middle-Earth* series. Is this something that is done often? Am I only
less familiar with them because these don't usually exist in
mass-market paperback versions?
>...Secondly, because one of Tolkien's greatest virtues as anI remember debating with myself, when THE BOOK OF LOST TALES came out, whether I wanted to read variant versions and spoil the view I had of THE SILMARILLION, which I considered to be canon. I'm glad I went ahead and read all of the HOME volumes, because as many have pointed out since then, JRRT's vision of his own legendarium is so complex that it really needs to be seen in all its different forms and versions to comprehend fully.
>author is the richness of his creation, and this enables the reader to watch
>how it was made. This is what Guy Kay would rather we not see, but the
>magnitude of the work Tolkien put into it, a whole dimension beyond a slice
>of the inner history as we know it from LOTR, is itself a grand creation.
All right, so maybe I could have skipped the early drafts of LORD OF THE RINGS, but then I would've missed the delicious tidbits like Frodo and Strider originally being Bingo and Trotter.
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