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  • Jeremy Edmonds
    I can t agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be useful
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 17, 2008
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      I can't agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little
      to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be
      useful to "close the book" on it at least. UCSC is being quite helpful
      already, so I should have at least seen it in a few weeks (once they have
      pulled it from long term storage.)

      Thanks as well for the encouragement, John.

      Jeremy

      --- David Bratman <dbratman@...> wrote:

      > It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay
      > that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd
      > guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are
      > thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing
      > with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this
      > one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that
      > means it's of more significance than any other.
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@...>
      > >Sent: Sep 16, 2008 7:47 PM
      > >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      > >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
      > sub-creation
      > >
      > >Hi Janet,
      > >
      > >Thanks for the thoughts - I am already planning to drop by Santa Cruz to see
      > >the book as soon as I can (just 20 miles away or so for me). I am still
      > >looking to buy a copy if anyone has one, though I am wondering if it was
      > never
      > >officially published (just one copy at Santa Cruz, but since they added it
      > to
      > >the database it has trickled out as a phantom publication).
      > >
      > >Jeremy
      > >
      > >--- "Croft, Janet B." <jbcroft@...> wrote:
      > >
      > >> Well, THAT came out really messy when I sent it. If you don't want to
      > wade
      > >> through all the coding, it's owned by UC-Santa-Cruz, where it was
      > produced.
      > >> You might try the Wade Center, but UC-Santa Cruz is the only place listed
      > in
      > >> WorldCat.
      > >>
      > >> Janet Brennan Croft
      > >> Associate Professor
      > >> Head of Access Services
      > >> University of Oklahoma Libraries
      > >> Bizzell 104NW
      > >> Norman OK 73019
      > >> 405-325-1918
      > >> Fax 405-325-7618
      > >> jbcroft@... <mailto:jbcroft@...>
      > >> http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/
      > >> http://libraries.ou.edu/
      > >> Editor of Mythlore http://www.mythsoc.org/mythlore.html
      > >> Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
      > >> http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
      > >> "Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape
      > meets
      > >> the falling angel." -Terry Pratchett
      > >>
      > >> From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > Of
      > >> Croft, Janet B.
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:23 PM
      > >> To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      > >> Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
      > >> sub-creation
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> From WorldCat:
      > >> Libraries with Item: "J.R.R. Tolkien and the ar..."( Record for
      > >>
      >
      >Item<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSFETCH?fetchtype=holdings:entityholdingsortpage=normal:holdinglimittype=default:next=html/holdings.html:bad=error/badfetch.html:format=FH:numrecs=1:resultset=2:recno=1:entitylibrarycount=1:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=4:0#record>
      > >> | Get This
      > >>
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      > >> Record for Item: "J.R.R. Tolkien and the ar..."( Libraries with
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      > >> )
      > >>
      > >> Get This Item
      > >>
      > >> Availability:
      > >>
      > >> Check the catalogs in your library.
      > >> * Libraries worldwide that own
      > >>
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      >item<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSFETCH?fetchtype=holdings:entityholdingsortpage=normal:holdinglimittype=default:next=html/holdings.html:bad=error/badfetch.html:format=FH:numrecs=1:resultset=2:recno=1:entitylibrarycount=1:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0>:
      > >> 1
      > >> *
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      > [cid:image001.gif@01C91810.204ADBD0<mailto:image001.gif%4001C91810.204ADBD0>]
      > >> Connect to the catalog at OU Libraries--Norman
      > >>
      >
      >Campus<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSPage?pagetype=return_frameset:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:entityframedurl=http%3A%2F%2Flibraries.ou.edu%2Feresources%2Fcatalog:entityframedtitle=Connect+to+the+catalog+at+OU+Libraries--Norman+Campus::entityopenTitle=J.R.R.%20Tolkien%20and%20the%20art%20of...:entityopenAuthor=Author%3A%20Lee,%20Richard:entityopenNumber=:entityframedtimeout=15:clearopen=false:linktype=opac>
      > >>
      > >> External Resources:
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      > >> * Request via Interlibrary
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      > >>
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      > >> *
      > >>
      > [cid:image002.gif@01C91810.204ADBD0<mailto:image002.gif%4001C91810.204ADBD0>]
      > >> Cite This
      > >>
      >
      >Item<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSPage?pagetype=return_frameset:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:entityframedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fworldcat.org%2Foclc%2F15595916%3Fpage%3Dcitation:entityframedtitle=WorldCat:entityframedtimeout=15:linktype=addlink-citation:entityopenTitle=:entityopenAuthor=:entityopenNumber=:>
      > >>
      > >> Find Related
      > >>
      > >> More Like This:
      > >>
      > >> Search for versions with same title and
      > >>
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      >author<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=html/records.html:format=BI:numrecs=10:searchtype=titleauthor:dbname=WorldCat:indexh1=ti=:termh1=%22J+R+R+Tolkien+and+the+art+of+sub-creation%22:indexh2=au=:termh2=%22Lee%2C+Richard+J%22>
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      > >>
      > >> Find Items About:
      > >>
      > >> Lee, Richard
      > >>
      >
      >J.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:indexh1=su%3D:termh1=Lee%2C+Richard+J.:searchtype=moreaboutauthor:dbname=WorldCat:numrecs=10:format=BI:next=html/records.html:bad=html/records.html>
      > >> (1)
      > >>
      > >> Title:
      > >>
      > >> J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation.
      > >>
      > >> Author(s):
      > >>
      > >> Lee, Richard
      > >>
      >
      >J.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotauthors:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=Lee%5C%2C+Richard+J.:indexh1=pn%3D:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      > >>
      > >> Conf Author(s):
      > >>
      > >> Annual Book Collection
      > >>
      >
      >Contest<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotauthors:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=Annual+Book+Collection+Contest:indexh1=cn%3D:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      > >> ; (20th :; 1986 :; University of California, Santa Cruz)
      > >>
      > >> Year:
      > >>
      > >> 1986
      > >>
      > >> Description:
      > >>
      > >> 11 p. ; 28 cm.
      > >>
      > >> Language:
      > >>
      > >> English
      > >>
      > >> SUBJECT(S)
      > >>
      > >> Descriptor:
      > >>
      > >> Book
      > >>
      >
      >collecting.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Book+collecting.%22:indexh1=su%3D:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      > >>
      > >> Named Person:
      > >>
      > >> Lee, Richard J. --
      > >>
      >
      >Library.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Lee%2C+Richard+J.%22:indexh1=su%3D:termh2=%22Library.%22:indexh2=su%3D:operatorh1=AND:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      > >> Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973 --
      > >>
      >
      >Bibliography.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Tolkien%2C+J.+R.+R.%22:indexh1=su%3D:termh2=%22%28John+Ronald+Reuel%29%2C%22:indexh2=su%3D:operatorh1=AND:termh3=%221892-1973%22:indexh3=su%3D:operatorh2=AND:termh4=%22Bibliography.%22:indexh4=su%3D:operatorh3=AND:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      > >> Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973 -- Criticism and
      > >> interpretation --
      > >>
      >
      >Bibliography.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Tolkien%2C+J.+R.+R.%22:indexh1=su%3D:termh2=%22%28John+Ronald+Reuel%29%2C%22:indexh2=su%3D:operatorh1=AND:termh3=%221892-1973%22:indexh3=su%3D:operatorh2=AND:termh4=%22Criticism+and+interpretation%22:indexh4=su%3D:operatorh3=AND:termh5=%22Bibliography.%22:indexh5=su%3D:operatorh4=AND:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      > >>
      > >> Note(s):
      > >>
      > >> Third-prize essay in the Friends of the Library 20th Annual Book
      > Collection
      > >> Contest, University of California, Santa Cruz, 1986./ Includes
      > >> bibliographical references (p. 5-11).
      > >>
      > >> Class Descriptors:
      > >>
      > >> LC:
      > >>
      >
      >Z997.2.S372<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=html/records.html:format=BI:numrecs=10:indexh1=:termh1=lc%3AZ997.2.S372:dbname=WorldCat:searchtype=hotlc>
      > >>
      > >> Document Type:
      > >>
      > >> Book
      > >>
      > >> Entry:
      > >>
      > >> 19870425
      > >>
      > >> Update:
      > >>
      > >> 20080509
      > >>
      > >> Accession No:
      > >>
      > >> OCLC: 15595916
      > >>
      > >> Database:
      > >>
      > >> WorldCat
      > >>
      > >> Possibly the Wade Center might also have a copy, but since this is FROM
      > Santa
      > >> Cruz, this may be the only place.
      > >>
      > >> Janet Brennan Croft
      > >> Associate Professor
      > >> Head of Access Services
      > >> University of Oklahoma Libraries
      > >> Bizzell 104NW
      > >> Norman OK 73019
      > >> 405-325-1918
      > >> Fax 405-325-7618
      > >> jbcroft@...<mailto:jbcroft%40ou.edu>
      > >> <mailto:jbcroft@...<mailto:jbcroft%40ou.edu>>
      > >> http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/
      > >> http://libraries.ou.edu/
      > >> Editor of Mythlore http://www.mythsoc.org/mythlore.html
      > >> Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
      > >> http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
      > >> "Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape
      > meets
      > >> the falling angel." -Terry Pratchett
      > >>
      > >> From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>
      > >> [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
      > Behalf
      > >> Of Jeremy Edmonds
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:20 PM
      > >> To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>
      > >> Subject: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
      > >> sub-creation
      > >>
      > >> Hi all,
      > >>
      > >> I would like to track down and buy a copy of _J.R.R. Tolkien and the Art
      > of
      > >> Sub-Creation_, by Richard J Lee. It was published in 1986, and is 11 pages
      > >> long. Does anyone on this list have a copy? Even if you are not willing to
      > >> part with it, it would be interesting to know where one or more is at.
      > >>
      > >> Thanks in advance,
      > >> Jeremy
      > >>
      > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >--
      > >Rown's Books
      > >* Tolkien, SF&F and more *
      > >872 Loyalton Drive
      > >Campbell, CA 95008 USA
      > >(408) 396-6996
      > >www.rowns.com
      > >
      > >------------------------------------
      > >
      > >The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.orgYahoo! Groups Links
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >


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    • David Bratman
      Jeremy - I m glad you contacted them and had it pulled. When I looked it up in the UC online catalog, Melvyl, although it was listed as being on site at UCSC,
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 18, 2008
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        Jeremy -

        I'm glad you contacted them and had it pulled. When I looked it up in the UC online catalog, Melvyl, although it was listed as being on site at UCSC, I suspected it might really be only in long-term storage, because there was an additional listing for NRLF, which is the northern storage facility, and I've suspected that kind of double-listing means there's actually only one copy and the storage facility is where it is. Good to have that confirmed: tricks of the library trade.

        -----Original Message-----
        >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@...>
        >Sent: Sep 18, 2008 1:17 AM
        >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation
        >
        >I can't agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little
        >to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be
        >useful to "close the book" on it at least. UCSC is being quite helpful
        >already, so I should have at least seen it in a few weeks (once they have
        >pulled it from long term storage.)
        >
        >Thanks as well for the encouragement, John.
        >
        >Jeremy
        >
        >--- David Bratman <dbratman@...> wrote:
        >
        >> It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay
        >> that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd
        >> guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are
        >> thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing
        >> with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this
        >> one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that
        >> means it's of more significance than any other.
      • Jeremy Edmonds
        Hi David and all, just to close out the long dormant thread,  I did get to UCSC and see a copy of J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation .  They do
        Message 3 of 9 , Dec 22, 2008
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          Hi David and all,

          just to close out the long dormant thread,  I did get to UCSC and see a copy of "J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation".  They do actually have two copies, one in the Reference section and one off-site in their Special Collections repository, so the online catalog information is correct.

          David - you were correct as well, this is a student essay, with a "bibliography" of his collection at the back, so nothing interesting and certainly not deserving of the notoriety/fame it has from being listed in WorldCat, and thus appearing on Amazon.com as well.  I've posted a note to this affect on Amazon.com for the book, hopefully nipping in the bud any more requests from people wanting to find a copy of it.

          Jeremy

          --- On Thu, 9/18/08, David Bratman <dbratman@...> wrote:
          From: David Bratman <dbratman@...>
          Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation
          To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 5:10 AM











          Jeremy -



          I'm glad you contacted them and had it pulled. When I looked it up in the UC online catalog, Melvyl, although it was listed as being on site at UCSC, I suspected it might really be only in long-term storage, because there was an additional listing for NRLF, which is the northern storage facility, and I've suspected that kind of double-listing means there's actually only one copy and the storage facility is where it is. Good to have that confirmed: tricks of the library trade.



          -----Original Message-----

          >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@rowns. com>

          >Sent: Sep 18, 2008 1:17 AM

          >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups .com

          >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation

          >

          >I can't agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little

          >to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be

          >useful to "close the book" on it at least. UCSC is being quite helpful

          >already, so I should have at least seen it in a few weeks (once they have

          >pulled it from long term storage.)

          >

          >Thanks as well for the encouragement, John.

          >

          >Jeremy

          >

          >--- David Bratman <dbratman@earthlink. net> wrote:

          >

          >> It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay

          >> that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd

          >> guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are

          >> thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing

          >> with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this

          >> one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that

          >> means it's of more significance than any other.

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