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  • David Bratman
    It s clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it s an 11-page essay that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I d guess
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 17, 2008
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      It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that means it's of more significance than any other.

      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@...>
      >Sent: Sep 16, 2008 7:47 PM
      >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation
      >
      >Hi Janet,
      >
      >Thanks for the thoughts - I am already planning to drop by Santa Cruz to see
      >the book as soon as I can (just 20 miles away or so for me). I am still
      >looking to buy a copy if anyone has one, though I am wondering if it was never
      >officially published (just one copy at Santa Cruz, but since they added it to
      >the database it has trickled out as a phantom publication).
      >
      >Jeremy
      >
      >--- "Croft, Janet B." <jbcroft@...> wrote:
      >
      >> Well, THAT came out really messy when I sent it. If you don't want to wade
      >> through all the coding, it's owned by UC-Santa-Cruz, where it was produced.
      >> You might try the Wade Center, but UC-Santa Cruz is the only place listed in
      >> WorldCat.
      >>
      >> Janet Brennan Croft
      >> Associate Professor
      >> Head of Access Services
      >> University of Oklahoma Libraries
      >> Bizzell 104NW
      >> Norman OK 73019
      >> 405-325-1918
      >> Fax 405-325-7618
      >> jbcroft@... <mailto:jbcroft@...>
      >> http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/
      >> http://libraries.ou.edu/
      >> Editor of Mythlore http://www.mythsoc.org/mythlore.html
      >> Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
      >> http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
      >> "Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape meets
      >> the falling angel." -Terry Pratchett
      >>
      >> From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      >> Croft, Janet B.
      >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:23 PM
      >> To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      >> Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
      >> sub-creation
      >>
      >>
      >> From WorldCat:
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      >> Lee, Richard
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      >> (1)
      >>
      >> Title:
      >>
      >> J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation.
      >>
      >> Author(s):
      >>
      >> Lee, Richard
      >>
      >J.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotauthors:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=Lee%5C%2C+Richard+J.:indexh1=pn%3D:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
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      >> ; (20th :; 1986 :; University of California, Santa Cruz)
      >>
      >> Year:
      >>
      >> 1986
      >>
      >> Description:
      >>
      >> 11 p. ; 28 cm.
      >>
      >> Language:
      >>
      >> English
      >>
      >> SUBJECT(S)
      >>
      >> Descriptor:
      >>
      >> Book
      >>
      >collecting.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Book+collecting.%22:indexh1=su%3D:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      >>
      >> Named Person:
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      >> Lee, Richard J. --
      >>
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      >> Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973 --
      >>
      >Bibliography.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Tolkien%2C+J.+R.+R.%22:indexh1=su%3D:termh2=%22%28John+Ronald+Reuel%29%2C%22:indexh2=su%3D:operatorh1=AND:termh3=%221892-1973%22:indexh3=su%3D:operatorh2=AND:termh4=%22Bibliography.%22:indexh4=su%3D:operatorh3=AND:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      >> Tolkien, J. R. R. (John Ronald Reuel), 1892-1973 -- Criticism and
      >> interpretation --
      >>
      >Bibliography.<http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?searchtype=hotsubjects:format=BI:numrecs=10:dbname=WorldCat::termh1=%22Tolkien%2C+J.+R.+R.%22:indexh1=su%3D:termh2=%22%28John+Ronald+Reuel%29%2C%22:indexh2=su%3D:operatorh1=AND:termh3=%221892-1973%22:indexh3=su%3D:operatorh2=AND:termh4=%22Criticism+and+interpretation%22:indexh4=su%3D:operatorh3=AND:termh5=%22Bibliography.%22:indexh5=su%3D:operatorh4=AND:sessionid=fsapp11-53823-fl6yzxm3-o16q3r:entitypagenum=5:0:next=html/records.html:bad=error/badsearch.html>
      >>
      >> Note(s):
      >>
      >> Third-prize essay in the Friends of the Library 20th Annual Book Collection
      >> Contest, University of California, Santa Cruz, 1986./ Includes
      >> bibliographical references (p. 5-11).
      >>
      >> Class Descriptors:
      >>
      >> LC:
      >>
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      >>
      >> Document Type:
      >>
      >> Book
      >>
      >> Entry:
      >>
      >> 19870425
      >>
      >> Update:
      >>
      >> 20080509
      >>
      >> Accession No:
      >>
      >> OCLC: 15595916
      >>
      >> Database:
      >>
      >> WorldCat
      >>
      >> Possibly the Wade Center might also have a copy, but since this is FROM Santa
      >> Cruz, this may be the only place.
      >>
      >> Janet Brennan Croft
      >> Associate Professor
      >> Head of Access Services
      >> University of Oklahoma Libraries
      >> Bizzell 104NW
      >> Norman OK 73019
      >> 405-325-1918
      >> Fax 405-325-7618
      >> jbcroft@...<mailto:jbcroft%40ou.edu>
      >> <mailto:jbcroft@...<mailto:jbcroft%40ou.edu>>
      >> http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/
      >> http://libraries.ou.edu/
      >> Editor of Mythlore http://www.mythsoc.org/mythlore.html
      >> Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
      >> http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
      >> "Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape meets
      >> the falling angel." -Terry Pratchett
      >>
      >> From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>
      >> [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
      >> Of Jeremy Edmonds
      >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:20 PM
      >> To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>
      >> Subject: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
      >> sub-creation
      >>
      >> Hi all,
      >>
      >> I would like to track down and buy a copy of _J.R.R. Tolkien and the Art of
      >> Sub-Creation_, by Richard J Lee. It was published in 1986, and is 11 pages
      >> long. Does anyone on this list have a copy? Even if you are not willing to
      >> part with it, it would be interesting to know where one or more is at.
      >>
      >> Thanks in advance,
      >> Jeremy
      >>
      >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
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    • John D Rateliff
      ... Enjoy the research trip, and let us all know if Lee s piece turns out to be interesting, Jeremy. --John R.
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 17, 2008
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        On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Jeremy Edmonds wrote:
        > Thanks for the thoughts - I am already planning to drop by Santa
        > Cruz to see
        > the book as soon as I can (just 20 miles away or so for me). I am
        > still
        > looking to buy a copy if anyone has one, though I am wondering if
        > it was never
        > officially published (just one copy at Santa Cruz, but since they
        > added it to
        > the database it has trickled out as a phantom publication).

        Enjoy the research trip, and let us all know if Lee's piece turns out
        to be interesting, Jeremy.
        --John R.
      • Jeremy Edmonds
        I can t agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be useful
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 17, 2008
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          I can't agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little
          to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be
          useful to "close the book" on it at least. UCSC is being quite helpful
          already, so I should have at least seen it in a few weeks (once they have
          pulled it from long term storage.)

          Thanks as well for the encouragement, John.

          Jeremy

          --- David Bratman <dbratman@...> wrote:

          > It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay
          > that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd
          > guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are
          > thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing
          > with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this
          > one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that
          > means it's of more significance than any other.
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@...>
          > >Sent: Sep 16, 2008 7:47 PM
          > >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
          > >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
          > sub-creation
          > >
          > >Hi Janet,
          > >
          > >Thanks for the thoughts - I am already planning to drop by Santa Cruz to see
          > >the book as soon as I can (just 20 miles away or so for me). I am still
          > >looking to buy a copy if anyone has one, though I am wondering if it was
          > never
          > >officially published (just one copy at Santa Cruz, but since they added it
          > to
          > >the database it has trickled out as a phantom publication).
          > >
          > >Jeremy
          > >
          > >--- "Croft, Janet B." <jbcroft@...> wrote:
          > >
          > >> Well, THAT came out really messy when I sent it. If you don't want to
          > wade
          > >> through all the coding, it's owned by UC-Santa-Cruz, where it was
          > produced.
          > >> You might try the Wade Center, but UC-Santa Cruz is the only place listed
          > in
          > >> WorldCat.
          > >>
          > >> Janet Brennan Croft
          > >> Associate Professor
          > >> Head of Access Services
          > >> University of Oklahoma Libraries
          > >> Bizzell 104NW
          > >> Norman OK 73019
          > >> 405-325-1918
          > >> Fax 405-325-7618
          > >> jbcroft@... <mailto:jbcroft@...>
          > >> http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/C/Janet.B.Croft-1/
          > >> http://libraries.ou.edu/
          > >> Editor of Mythlore http://www.mythsoc.org/mythlore.html
          > >> Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
          > >> http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
          > >> "Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape
          > meets
          > >> the falling angel." -Terry Pratchett
          > >>
          > >> From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
          > Of
          > >> Croft, Janet B.
          > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:23 PM
          > >> To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
          > >> Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
          > >> sub-creation
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> From WorldCat:
          > >> Libraries with Item: "J.R.R. Tolkien and the ar..."( Record for
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          > >> (1)
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          > >> Title:
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          > >> J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation.
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          > >> Author(s):
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          > >> Lee, Richard
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          > >> ; (20th :; 1986 :; University of California, Santa Cruz)
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          > >> Year:
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          > >> 1986
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          > >> Description:
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          > >> 11 p. ; 28 cm.
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          > >> English
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          > >>
          > >> Note(s):
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          > >> Third-prize essay in the Friends of the Library 20th Annual Book
          > Collection
          > >> Contest, University of California, Santa Cruz, 1986./ Includes
          > >> bibliographical references (p. 5-11).
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          > >> Class Descriptors:
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          > >> LC:
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          > >> 20080509
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          > >> Accession No:
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          > >> OCLC: 15595916
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          > >> Database:
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          > >> WorldCat
          > >>
          > >> Possibly the Wade Center might also have a copy, but since this is FROM
          > Santa
          > >> Cruz, this may be the only place.
          > >>
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          > >> Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
          > >> http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
          > >> "Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape
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          > >>
          > >> From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>
          > >> [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>] On
          > Behalf
          > >> Of Jeremy Edmonds
          > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:20 PM
          > >> To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mythsoc%40yahoogroups.com>
          > >> Subject: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of
          > >> sub-creation
          > >>
          > >> Hi all,
          > >>
          > >> I would like to track down and buy a copy of _J.R.R. Tolkien and the Art
          > of
          > >> Sub-Creation_, by Richard J Lee. It was published in 1986, and is 11 pages
          > >> long. Does anyone on this list have a copy? Even if you are not willing to
          > >> part with it, it would be interesting to know where one or more is at.
          > >>
          > >> Thanks in advance,
          > >> Jeremy
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        • David Bratman
          Jeremy - I m glad you contacted them and had it pulled. When I looked it up in the UC online catalog, Melvyl, although it was listed as being on site at UCSC,
          Message 4 of 9 , Sep 18, 2008
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            Jeremy -

            I'm glad you contacted them and had it pulled. When I looked it up in the UC online catalog, Melvyl, although it was listed as being on site at UCSC, I suspected it might really be only in long-term storage, because there was an additional listing for NRLF, which is the northern storage facility, and I've suspected that kind of double-listing means there's actually only one copy and the storage facility is where it is. Good to have that confirmed: tricks of the library trade.

            -----Original Message-----
            >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@...>
            >Sent: Sep 18, 2008 1:17 AM
            >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation
            >
            >I can't agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little
            >to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be
            >useful to "close the book" on it at least. UCSC is being quite helpful
            >already, so I should have at least seen it in a few weeks (once they have
            >pulled it from long term storage.)
            >
            >Thanks as well for the encouragement, John.
            >
            >Jeremy
            >
            >--- David Bratman <dbratman@...> wrote:
            >
            >> It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay
            >> that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd
            >> guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are
            >> thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing
            >> with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this
            >> one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that
            >> means it's of more significance than any other.
          • Jeremy Edmonds
            Hi David and all, just to close out the long dormant thread,  I did get to UCSC and see a copy of J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation .  They do
            Message 5 of 9 , Dec 22, 2008
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              Hi David and all,

              just to close out the long dormant thread,  I did get to UCSC and see a copy of "J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation".  They do actually have two copies, one in the Reference section and one off-site in their Special Collections repository, so the online catalog information is correct.

              David - you were correct as well, this is a student essay, with a "bibliography" of his collection at the back, so nothing interesting and certainly not deserving of the notoriety/fame it has from being listed in WorldCat, and thus appearing on Amazon.com as well.  I've posted a note to this affect on Amazon.com for the book, hopefully nipping in the bud any more requests from people wanting to find a copy of it.

              Jeremy

              --- On Thu, 9/18/08, David Bratman <dbratman@...> wrote:
              From: David Bratman <dbratman@...>
              Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation
              To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 5:10 AM











              Jeremy -



              I'm glad you contacted them and had it pulled. When I looked it up in the UC online catalog, Melvyl, although it was listed as being on site at UCSC, I suspected it might really be only in long-term storage, because there was an additional listing for NRLF, which is the northern storage facility, and I've suspected that kind of double-listing means there's actually only one copy and the storage facility is where it is. Good to have that confirmed: tricks of the library trade.



              -----Original Message-----

              >From: Jeremy Edmonds <jeremy@rowns. com>

              >Sent: Sep 18, 2008 1:17 AM

              >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups .com

              >Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Help finding book: J.R.R. Tolkien and the art of sub-creation

              >

              >I can't agree with you more, David - I am fully expecting this to have little

              >to no scholarly value, but someone wants me to find a copy so it should be

              >useful to "close the book" on it at least. UCSC is being quite helpful

              >already, so I should have at least seen it in a few weeks (once they have

              >pulled it from long term storage.)

              >

              >Thanks as well for the encouragement, John.

              >

              >Jeremy

              >

              >--- David Bratman <dbratman@earthlink. net> wrote:

              >

              >> It's clearly not a book in any real sense of the word: it's an 11-page essay

              >> that some student wrote, evidently describing his Tolkien collection. I'd

              >> guess it's going to turn out to be a typed term paper in format. There are

              >> thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of such things about in the world dealing

              >> with Tolkien. You could try to track all of them down; the fact that this

              >> one happens to be listed in WorldCat shouldn't confuse you into thinking that

              >> means it's of more significance than any other.

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