Re: [mythsoc] Re: Elves as Artists
- Yikes! Sounds like "undead" in Middle Earth. Shudder!
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From: Merlin DeTardo
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:16 AM
Subject: [mythsoc] Re: Elves as Artists
---John D Rateliff <sacnoth@...> wrote:
<< 'While Tolkien does not elucidate on what he means by these "sub-
creational counterfeits', from the context (a discussion of beings
made by the Dark Lord in counterfeit of the Free Peoples) I suspect
that he is speaking of something along the lines of C. S. Lewis's Un-
man, an idea which Lewis seems to have derived in turn from Dante's
Inferno. Cf. Canto XXXIII, where Dante meets in Hell someone he knows
to be alive in the world above and is told that while the soul is
already damned and in Hell the body, animated by a devil, is still
walking around in the world of the living (Dante Alighieri, The
Divine Comedy 1: Hell, trans. Dorothy L. Sayers [Baltimore: Penguin
Books, 1949], pages 281-281.' >>
Tolkien describes something vaguely similar when considering the
possibility of Men's bodies in Aman, bereft of their spirits , and
of wayward "Houseless" Elf spirits in Middle-earth that might attempt
to oust Men's souls from their bodies .
 "Aman" from "Myths Transformed" in _Morgoth's Ring_, pp. 428-430.
 "Of Re-birth and Other Dooms of Those That Go to Mandos"
from "Laws and Customs among the Eldar", also in _Morgoth's Ring_,
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- Hi all,
Several of the folks in our Los Angeles smial have taken on the Eowyn
Challenge and really enjoyed it. Two of us arrived in Rivendell this
month and are now on our way to Lothlorien. Four or five others have
started out from Hobbiton, and one person has walked, jogged and
cycled all the way to Mordor! Hope you'll enjoy your walks.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Andrew Higgins <asthiggins@...> wrote:
> Hi All
> Yesterday the UK was blessed with one of the warmest days of the
year so far and it afforded myself, partner and our Corgi, Charlie,
to start the Eowyn Challenge (our cat Meowman was not interested and
preferred to do the couch challenge). We have decided this summer to
walk to Rivendell from Hobbiton (roughly 450 miles). We travelled to
one of the ancient seats of the Bishops of Winchester - Farnham - and
walked roughly 5 miles which essentially according to the Eowyn
Challenge (the "Horse Joy" challenge as it were) got us into Tookland
(27 miles to the first encounter with the Black Rider - why am I
looking forward to that?).
> Farnham Castle is currently managed by The English Heritage Society
and as we were passing by the gates I got thinking about what The
Middle Earth Heritage Society would look like in the future time of
Middle Earth (say the 20th Age) what ruins would exist (Minas Tirith,
Isengard, Edoras) - with the passing of the Elves one would think
that Elvish buildings would fade as well (although as in the Lord of
the Rings Online game - one would still see some remains of Elvish
architecture like Edelethion). Would men have set up a society to
manage and fund the upkeep of the most famous sites of Middle Earth
and as a member of the Middle Earth Heritage Society you could get in
free to all these sites. Would there be museum displays of the great
battles - and I'm sure to secure government funding from the
Elessarion goverment you would have to do some interactive
educational elements (try on the armor of a Numenorian soldier, make
your own remedy out of Athelas leaves, etc) - would
> there be a gift shop (purchase your own Lembas bread recipe,
palantir snow globes, etc.). What would people be thinking as the
walked across the stone ruins of what was Osgiliath or Minas Ithil -
would there be a coffee/gift shop and travellers restaurant on top of
> Any other ideas on what would form part of The Middle Earth
Historical Society would offer - reenacrtments of the Battle of
Pelannor fields perhaps?
> Andrew Higgins
> asthiggins@yahoo. org.uk
> "Alles ist nach seiner Art, an ihr wirst du nichts andern."
Siegfried Act 2
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