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Re: [mythsoc] Re: Elves as Artists

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  • Diane Joy Baker
    Yikes! Sounds like undead in Middle Earth. Shudder! ... From: Merlin DeTardo To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:16 AM Subject:
    Message 1 of 31 , Apr 21 10:20 AM
      Yikes! Sounds like "undead" in Middle Earth. Shudder!
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Merlin DeTardo
      To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:16 AM
      Subject: [mythsoc] Re: Elves as Artists


      ---John D Rateliff <sacnoth@...> wrote:
      << 'While Tolkien does not elucidate on what he means by these "sub-
      creational counterfeits', from the context (a discussion of beings
      made by the Dark Lord in counterfeit of the Free Peoples) I suspect
      that he is speaking of something along the lines of C. S. Lewis's Un-
      man, an idea which Lewis seems to have derived in turn from Dante's
      Inferno. Cf. Canto XXXIII, where Dante meets in Hell someone he knows
      to be alive in the world above and is told that while the soul is
      already damned and in Hell the body, animated by a devil, is still
      walking around in the world of the living (Dante Alighieri, The
      Divine Comedy 1: Hell, trans. Dorothy L. Sayers [Baltimore: Penguin
      Books, 1949], pages 281-281.' >>

      Tolkien describes something vaguely similar when considering the
      possibility of Men's bodies in Aman, bereft of their spirits [1], and
      of wayward "Houseless" Elf spirits in Middle-earth that might attempt
      to oust Men's souls from their bodies [2].

      [1] "Aman" from "Myths Transformed" in _Morgoth's Ring_, pp. 428-430.

      [2] "Of Re-birth and Other Dooms of Those That Go to Mandos"
      from "Laws and Customs among the Eldar", also in _Morgoth's Ring_,
      pp. 223-225.

      -Merlin DeTardo






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    • Marcie
      Hi all, Several of the folks in our Los Angeles smial have taken on the Eowyn Challenge and really enjoyed it. Two of us arrived in Rivendell this month and
      Message 31 of 31 , Apr 28 10:02 AM
        Hi all,
        Several of the folks in our Los Angeles smial have taken on the Eowyn
        Challenge and really enjoyed it. Two of us arrived in Rivendell this
        month and are now on our way to Lothlorien. Four or five others have
        started out from Hobbiton, and one person has walked, jogged and
        cycled all the way to Mordor! Hope you'll enjoy your walks.
        Cheers,
        Marcie


        --- In mythsoc@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Higgins <asthiggins@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi All
        >
        > Yesterday the UK was blessed with one of the warmest days of the
        year so far and it afforded myself, partner and our Corgi, Charlie,
        to start the Eowyn Challenge (our cat Meowman was not interested and
        preferred to do the couch challenge). We have decided this summer to
        walk to Rivendell from Hobbiton (roughly 450 miles). We travelled to
        one of the ancient seats of the Bishops of Winchester - Farnham - and
        walked roughly 5 miles which essentially according to the Eowyn
        Challenge (the "Horse Joy" challenge as it were) got us into Tookland
        (27 miles to the first encounter with the Black Rider - why am I
        looking forward to that?).
        >
        > Farnham Castle is currently managed by The English Heritage Society
        and as we were passing by the gates I got thinking about what The
        Middle Earth Heritage Society would look like in the future time of
        Middle Earth (say the 20th Age) what ruins would exist (Minas Tirith,
        Isengard, Edoras) - with the passing of the Elves one would think
        that Elvish buildings would fade as well (although as in the Lord of
        the Rings Online game - one would still see some remains of Elvish
        architecture like Edelethion). Would men have set up a society to
        manage and fund the upkeep of the most famous sites of Middle Earth
        and as a member of the Middle Earth Heritage Society you could get in
        free to all these sites. Would there be museum displays of the great
        battles - and I'm sure to secure government funding from the
        Elessarion goverment you would have to do some interactive
        educational elements (try on the armor of a Numenorian soldier, make
        your own remedy out of Athelas leaves, etc) - would
        > there be a gift shop (purchase your own Lembas bread recipe,
        palantir snow globes, etc.). What would people be thinking as the
        walked across the stone ruins of what was Osgiliath or Minas Ithil -
        would there be a coffee/gift shop and travellers restaurant on top of
        Weathertop?
        >
        > Any other ideas on what would form part of The Middle Earth
        Historical Society would offer - reenacrtments of the Battle of
        Pelannor fields perhaps?
        >
        > Andy
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        > Andrew Higgins
        > asthiggins@yahoo. org.uk
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