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- On Apr 10, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Merlin DeTardo wrote:
> More than 25 years ago, Paul Kocher likened the colds of the Witch-Speaking of which, and ignoring all the cheap sneers at Gore, this
> king and Morgoth to glacial epochs.
reminds me of an interesting point in LITERARY SWORDSMEN & SORCERERS
where de Camp asked Tolkien why, if it was based on Europe many
thousands of years ago, his Middle-earth lacked the megafauna of that
era. According to de Camp, the two men agreed it was because "Middle-
earth reflected Tolkien's memories of the English countryside in his
boyhood", when except for deer "large wild animals had been extinct
in Britain for centuries".
>... de Camp asked Tolkien why, if it was based on Europe manyDoes the oliphaunt fall under the category of "megafauna"?
>thousands of years ago, his Middle-earth lacked the megafauna of that
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- --- David Emerson <emerdavid@...> wrote:
> >... de Camp asked Tolkien why, if it was based onIt does but I always got the impression that the
> Europe many
> >thousands of years ago, his Middle-earth lacked the
> megafauna of that
> Does the oliphaunt fall under the category of
oliphaunt in Middle Earth, much like an elephant to
someone who lived in Europe, was something exotic.
Actually, it's interesting because if you look at a
map of Middle Earth, pretty much everything east of
the Iron Hills and south of Gondor fell into the realm
of the exotic and fantastic, that being the Harad and
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- On Apr 11, 2008, at 11:21 AM, David Emerson wrote:
>> ... de Camp asked Tolkien why, if it was based on Europe manyYes indeed; it's clearly both some form of mastodon or mammoth AND
>> thousands of years ago, his Middle-earth lacked the megafauna of
>> that era.
> Does the oliphaunt fall under the category of "megafauna"?
the beastiary elephant at one and the same time. But it's clearly
long since vanished from the North-West, remembered only from
traveller's tales like Sam's rhyme.
It's worth pointing out, though, that de Camp seems to forget
about the wolves, which can get pretty big (especially in Middle-
earth!). And of course if we include The Hobbit we get huge bears as
well. But most of the lands the Fellowship crosses seem to lack
anything bigger than a fox, which is entirely appropriate to England
in the last century or so but not like the older world; I assume from
all the bear-baiting that there were still wild bears in England in
Shakespeare's time, and wolves lasted until sometime in the medieval
era (both are certainly well-represented in the continental folk-
tales of the Grimms and Perrault).
- On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:04 PM, John D Rateliff wrote:
> all the cheap sneers at GoreThere is nothing cheap about them, sirrah! They cost $12.50 each --
just like the mercury-laden fluorescent light-bulbs Congress is
mandating -- PLUS a mandatory $20 carbon-credit per pack of 6!