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  • Jason Fisher
    Mark Hooker s thoughts. Basically, in agreement with Alexei, but with a little bit more detail, if it s of interest. Jason ... From: Mark Hooker To:
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 15, 2007
      Mark Hooker's thoughts. Basically, in agreement with Alexei, but with a little bit more detail, if it's of interest.

      Jason

      ----- Forwarded Message ----
      From: Mark Hooker <...>
      To: Jason Fisher <visualweasel@...>
      Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:43:04 PM
      Subject: Re: Fw: Language?


      I can say with certainty that is it not Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian,
      Polish, Czech, Slovak or Bulgarian. I can speculate that it is not a real
      Slavic language from one of the Balkan states because of the ending -u on dobru
      din. Den/dzien/dan (and all the other vowel variants) means 'day' and it is
      masculine, which requires a masculine adjective ending (normally an i/y). This
      -u ending could be someone who does not know Cyrilic too well, because the
      Cyrillic 'I' [pronounced 'ee'] looks to Latin-alphabet-readers like the letter
      'U'. The same is true of the ending -u on the name Grigor. That ending is
      possible in the vocative case, but if it is really an 'I', then that is the
      expected ending for this name in Slavic, in Russian it would be Gregorij. The
      prefix pri- is used with motion verbs to indicate travel to a destination, and
      arrival. I would expect prikhod' ko mne (to me), but not the use in your quote
      of 'with me', though the preposition is correct 'so'. The translation of 'din'
      as 'morning' is not good, as there is a good way to say 'good morning' in all
      the Slavic languages I know.

      The name of the country (Groznia) is based on the root for 'terrible', as in
      Ivan the Terrible.

      Was that a help?

      Cheers, Mark

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    • Diane Joy Baker
      Alexei might know. He s quite the polyglot. ---djb ... From: Jason Fisher To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:21 PM Subject:
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 19, 2007
        Alexei might know. He's quite the polyglot. ---djb
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Jason Fisher
        To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:21 PM
        Subject: [mythsoc] Re: Language?


        > I'm still worrying about Anthony Boucher's references to Groznia as a
        > country, which I wrote about earlier. It is a fictional Balkan country,
        > and one speaker says, "Dobru din, Grigoru. Prihud so min." That means,
        > "Good morning, Gregory. Come with me." Can anyone identify the
        > language? (It might be Russian, it might be invented, it might be
        > something else.)

        Just adding to what Wendell said, it looks close to Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, Russian, etc. -- close enough that it could be a real language or dialect in the Slavic family. Or it could be an invention based on them (a little like Anthony Burgess's Nadsat). I'll ask Mark Hooker about it and see what he says. He's speaks Russian and is well enough versed in Bulgarian, Czech, Polish, etc., that I think he might be of some help here, but he doesn't monitor this list.

        Jason Fisher

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