Re: about dwarves and spiders in the Hobbit ...
>>---"Carl F. Hostetter" <Aelfwine@...> wrote:(it is cognate with "weave"). It is often encountered in this sense in
>>Tolkien here is using "web" in its original sense of 'woven fabric'
And Tolkien also uses "web" elsewhere in the same way, as in the
chapter, "Minas Tirith", in _LotR_:
"No hangings nor storied webs, nor any things of woven stuff or of
wood, were to be seen in that long solemn hall; but between the
pillars there stood a silent company of tall images graven in cold
>Though if I recall correctly spider web comes from this meaning: it is after all a spider's weaving, a kind of fabric.
> On Jun 25, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Anglin Turcam wrote:
> > But you also find some other interresting thing about this fact in one
> > other book written by Pr. Tolkien :
> > [...] His gleaming coat
> > was made of rings of steel no shaft
> > could pierce, a web of dwarvish craft ...
> > Lays of Beleriand.
> > [p.166-167]
> Tolkien here is using "web" in its original sense of 'woven
> fabric' (it is cognate with "weave"). It is often encountered in this
> sense in Middle English. He is not associating the coat with spider-
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- This reminds me of Barfield's "Poetic Diction". Tolkien uses the words
"web" and "lob", well aware of their meanings both then and now; and the
differences between their meanings then and now. It's just one example of
how Tolkien re-enriches our own meaning-fund with all that the words used to
signify. I like the connection between 'dwarf' and 'spider' that is evident
in Northern lore. I expect Tolkien knew of it, and perhaps meant to play
the linguistic joke by having the one try to eat the other.
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