Garner and Tolkien
- I'd forgotten the mention of Garner in Gilliver, et al., and Shippey (though I've read both books). Thanks for the pointers, John.
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From: John D Rateliff <sacnoth@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Re: Alexander and Garner
On May 30, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Jason Fisher wrote:
> How do you know Garner hadn't, if you don't mind my asking?
Garner claimed not to have read Tolkien when he wrote his books,
but I can't cite you a primary source on that. Interestingly enough,
the authors of THE RING OF WORDS say they've disproved his
"Within fantasy literature, Tolkien's coinages and distinctive
uses can be found everywhere . . . one of the earliest [examples]
was Alan Garner, whose successful children's fantasy novel The
Weirdstone of Brisingamen (1960) contains a number of thematic
echoes of Tolkien (as discussed by Shippey*). Curiously, Garner
claims never to have read The Lord of the Rings, as part of a policy
of not reading fiction for fear of being subconsciously influenced by
other writers' ideas; and yet, unless Garner has also read [the 15th-
century poem] Cursor Mundi, there is no other obvious source for
his description of the evil wizard Grimnir as 'a great lore-master' .
The word now occurs frequently in fatnasy writing . . ." (Gilliver,
Marshall, & Weiner, THE RING OF WORDS: TOLKIEN AND
THE OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY, page 227).
*[Shippey's discussion comes in the last chapter of AUTHOR OF
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