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Garner and Tolkien

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  • Jason Fisher
    I d forgotten the mention of Garner in Gilliver, et al., and Shippey (though I ve read both books). Thanks for the pointers, John. ... From: John D Rateliff
    Message 1 of 1 , May 31, 2007
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      I'd forgotten the mention of Garner in Gilliver, et al., and Shippey (though I've read both books). Thanks for the pointers, John.

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: John D Rateliff <sacnoth@...>
      To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:10:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Re: Alexander and Garner

      On May 30, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Jason Fisher wrote:
      > How do you know Garner hadn't, if you don't mind my asking?

      Garner claimed not to have read Tolkien when he wrote his books,
      but I can't cite you a primary source on that. Interestingly enough,
      the authors of THE RING OF WORDS say they've disproved his
      claim:

      "Within fantasy literature, Tolkien's coinages and distinctive
      uses can be found everywhere . . . one of the earliest [examples]
      was Alan Garner, whose successful children's fantasy novel The
      Weirdstone of Brisingamen (1960) contains a number of thematic
      echoes of Tolkien (as discussed by Shippey*). Curiously, Garner
      claims never to have read The Lord of the Rings, as part of a policy
      of not reading fiction for fear of being subconsciously influenced by
      other writers' ideas; and yet, unless Garner has also read [the 15th-
      century poem] Cursor Mundi, there is no other obvious source for
      his description of the evil wizard Grimnir as 'a great lore-master' .
      The word now occurs frequently in fatnasy writing . . ." (Gilliver,
      Marshall, & Weiner, THE RING OF WORDS: TOLKIEN AND
      THE OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY, page 227).

      *[Shippey's discussion comes in the last chapter of AUTHOR OF
      THE CENTURY--JDR]

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