Re: [mythsoc] Re: Lewis name origin question
- Check the last chapter of OUT OF THE SILENT PLANET, where 'Ransom'
writes to CSL himself for more information about Bernardus
Silvestris' use of the word OYARSES.
On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:01 PM, lakowskir wrote:
> Try looking at the entry for "Oyarsa" in Wikipedia,
> which suggests that it is derived via Bernard
> Silvestris's Cosmographia ultimately from the
> Greek "ousiarches" or "lords of being."
> Lewis if I remember rightly refers to Silvestris
> somewhere in the Space Trilogy but I can't
> remember where.
- The Tolkien Wiki you mention was last updated in May of 2006, and doesn't seem
all that active. You might also try http://www.tolkiengateway.net - it was
started two years ago, but is quite active. I have no formed opinion on the
quality and detail of all the articles, there are more than 5000 now and I have
read only a handful.
Another example of how Wiki sites differ from other information sources. Two
years from now, Tolkien Gateway could well be stale and some other site have
taken up the mantle.
--- "Oberhelman, D" <d.oberhelman@...> wrote:
> Ah, interesting that the entry was apparently altered within a day or two.
> One of the advantages of Wikis is that they can updated quickly. Yet there
> are still many dangers in relying upon "community policing" to ensure quality
> and accuracy. I will have to use this as an example in the discussion topic
> I am giving the undergraduates in my online Library Science research skills
> course (they are looking at how Wiki sites differ from traditional,
> peer-reviewed information sources with known authors).
> I have looked at the Tolkien Wiki (http://www.thetolkienwiki.org) a few
> times, and it has some decent material, but the entries are very inconsistent
> in quality and detail.
> David D. Oberhelman
> Associate Professor
> Humanities-Social Sciences Division
> Oklahoma State University Library
> Stillwater, OK 74078
> Phone: (405) 744-9773 Fax: (405) 744-7579
> Email: d.oberhelman@...
- I found the "source" for the Wikipedia entry. Walter Hooper in C.S. Lewis
Companion and Guide (207-08) quotes the relevant passage from Bernardus
Silvestris in Latin with an English translation. He also adds that one
of Lewis's colleagues at Madgalen had suggested to him that "Oyarses"
was a corruption of "Ousiarches" from Pseudo-Apuleius. Besides, the
reference noted by John Rateliff to Ch.22 of Out of the Silent Planet,
Lewis seems to be also translating from him at the end of the Postscript.
Lewis refers to Silvestris in a number of his academic works (see Bernardus
Silvestris in the Indices), including Studies in Medieval and Renaissance
Literature, The Discarded Image, Studies in Words, A Preface to Paradise
Lost, and The Allegory of Love, in which he devotes several pages (90-98
in my edition) to Bernardus. He also includes a quote from him at the
beginning of Book 10 of A Pilgrim's Regress.
There is a convenient translation of the Cosmographia in the Columbia
Records of Civilization series (1973) and an edition of the Latin text
by Peter Dronke (1978).
Romuald (Ronnie) I. Lakowski
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, John D Rateliff <sacnoth@...> wrote:
> Check the last chapter of OUT OF THE SILENT PLANET, where 'Ransom'
> writes to CSL himself for more information about Bernardus
> Silvestris' use of the word OYARSES.
> On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:01 PM, lakowskir wrote:
> > Try looking at the entry for "Oyarsa" in Wikipedia,
> > which suggests that it is derived via Bernard
> > Silvestris's Cosmographia ultimately from the
> > Greek "ousiarches" or "lords of being."
> > Lewis if I remember rightly refers to Silvestris
> > somewhere in the Space Trilogy but I can't
> > remember where.
- Happened to catch a snippet of the House debate on the non-binding
resolution today, and tickled to see that one Rep. Mike Pence
(Republican of Indiana) quoted from C. S. Lewis in his speech
opposing the measure (I didn't recognize the quote; something about
courage). Does this mean he's becoming ubiquitous?
- I just did a Google on "Mike Pence," "C. S. Lewis," and "resolution," and I
found the following news story:
The quotation from Lewis is the following:
C. S. Lewis said "courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of
every virtue at the testing point."
Further Googling tells me that it's in _The Screwtape Letters_. The one
place where a webpage mentions where it's at in that book says that it's in the
28th letter. Flipping through my copy of the book though, I find it in the
29th letter. Does the numbering of the letters differ in difference editions?
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- --- In email@example.com, WendellWag@... wrote:
>and "resolution," and I
> I just did a Google on "Mike Pence," "C. S. Lewis,"
> found the following news story:DocumentID=58224_
> The quotation from Lewis is the following:the form of
> C. S. Lewis said "courage is not simply one of the virtues, but
> every virtue at the testing point."The one
> Further Googling tells me that it's in _The Screwtape Letters_.
> place where a webpage mentions where it's at in that book saysthat it's in the
> 28th letter. Flipping through my copy of the book though, I findit in the
> 29th letter. Does the numbering of the letters differ indifference editions?
> Wendell WagnerKim here - and this is my first post to this group after lurking a
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
while, so, please bear with me!
I have an old, ratty paperback version of Screwtape - which was the
first of CS Lewis's works I read as a child after finishing Narnia -
and the quote is in the 29th letter. I checked my new version of his
signature classices, and it's in the 29th letter there, as well. I
can't imagine any version changing the numbering.
And, no matter which side you're on in the war debate - isn't this a
great quote to use? It's always encouraging to me when
contemporaries seek wisdom from great thinkers and writers.