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    ... From: William Cloud Hicklin To: mythsoc-owner@yahoogroups.com CC: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:44:17 -0000 Subject: Re: Jane
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      From: "William Cloud Hicklin" <solicitr@...>
      To: mythsoc-owner@yahoogroups.com
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      Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:44:17 -0000
      Subject: Re: Jane Chance

      > --- In mythsoc@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Swain"
      > wrote:
      >
      > > I was going to protest, but on checking some of the places
      > where I
      > had remembered Tolkien using the phrase, I find that in fact
      > he
      > didn't. You are quite right, David. He leaves no doubt
      > about what
      > he is talking about, but his descriptions of this "cycle of
      > interconnected legends" that he thought to compose "for my
      > homeland"
      > is as near to the phrase as one can get without actually
      > using it.
      >
      > The phrase itself seems to come from Humphrey Carpenter.
      >
      > It appears that the origin of the concept, though not the
      > precise phrase, lies in Letter No. 131 (to Milton Walman,
      > ca. 1951):
      >
      > "I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own
      > beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with
      > its tongue and soil), not of the quality I sought, and found
      > (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands. There was
      > Greek, and Celtic, and Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, and
      > Finnish (which greatly affected me); but nothing English,
      > save impoverished chap-book stuff.......Do not laugh! But
      > once upon a time (my crest has long since fallen) I had a
      > mind to make a body of more or less connected legend,
      > ranging from the large and cosmogonic, to the level of
      > romantic fairy-story...which I could dedicate simply to: to
      > England; to my country. It should be possessed the tone and
      > quality that I desired, somewhat cool and clear, be redolent
      > of our 'air' (the clime and soil of the North West, meaning
      > Britain and the hither parts of Europe: not Italy or the
      > Aegean, still less the East), and, while possessing (if I
      > could achieve it) the fair elusive beauty that some call
      > Celtic (though it is rarely found in genuine ancient Celtic
      > things), it should be 'high', purged of the gross, and fit
      > for the adult mind of a land long now steeped in poetry."
      >
      > In his Biography, 1977, Carpenter introduced a portion of
      > the above-quoted text with "his desire to create a mythology
      > /for England/." This is almost certainly the origin of the
      > phrase, predating Chance by two years.
      >
      > W C Hicklin
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