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Re: [mythsoc]: "Beauty of the female"(What if you're not BEAUTIFUL???)

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  • Lezlie
    Indeed! And, in academics, correct references are everything! Lezlie ... Chaucer. ... school
    Message 1 of 5 , Feb 8, 2006
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      Indeed! And, in academics, correct references are everything! Lezlie

      --- In mythsoc@yahoogroups.com, Mike Foster <mafoster@...> wrote:
      >
      > Stretching, indeed, especially if prof. identified Janis Joplin as the
      > writer. Like saying the Wife of Bath's tale was written by Mrs.
      Chaucer.
      >
      > Mike
      >
      > Lezlie wrote:
      >
      > >I've been "hanging around" younger women, their issues and experiences
      > >are very different from mine, and thank the Gods that is the case!
      > >
      > >IMHO (at the risk of causing a riot): the critiques of feminism I have
      > >seen here recently are stuck in 1968 and should be *retired*.
      > >
      > >There is too much real work to be done in the world on behalf of women
      > >and children to be bothered by "feminine" vs. "feminist" rhetoric that
      > >is at least 40 years old ... just my 2 cents, mind. What Lewis said
      > >about the politics of his day were vaild (maybe) in his day, but are
      > >-- well -- quaint is the word that comes to mind in 2006.
      > >
      > >A side: I never considered "Me & Bobby McGee" to be especially
      > >feminist, I think the Prof. in question was s-t-r-e-c-h-i-n-g,
      > >personally. Haight/Ashbury ethos, maybe, but feminist...?
      > >Oh...brother... about as relevant as the endless question of Arwen had
      > >any girl-Elf children to play with... Lezlie
      > >
      > >--- In mythsoc@yahoogroups.com, Mike Foster <mafoster@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >>Ruth Pitter was such a one.
      > >>
      > >>'Ware, though. A member of Far Westfarthing smial was in a grad
      school
      > >>class at a nearby university that shall go un[Bradley]named.
      > >>
      > >>Prof. played Janis Joplin version of "Me & Bobby McGee" and began
      > >>
      > >>
      > >hyping
      > >
      > >
      > >>Joplin's feminist views in her lyric. Uh, our friend reported, the
      > >>
      > >>
      > >song
      > >
      > >
      > >>was written by Kris Kristofferson. The prof. disputed this and it
      > >>didn't help Jim's grade.
      > >>
      > >>Foster
      > >>
      > >>Bonnie Callahan wrote:
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>>I wish CSL & like-minded believers had known more women like my
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >friends & I,
      > >
      > >
      > >>>who strive to surpass "Mere
      > >>>Femininity". Can't be BOTHERED. WE're SO irritated by "Womans**t. I
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >think I'll
      > >
      > >
      > >>>write a parody of "ShoddyLands" where the person he gets stuck
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >inside of next
      > >
      > >
      > >>>is a jock. (OOPS, now someone else is gonna do it first, I'd better
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >get busy!
      > >
      > >
      > >>>Hey, let's have a writing competition & publish all the results in
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >Mythic
      > >
      > >
      > >>>Circle!)
      > >>>
      > >>>Gender ID can become a spiritual poison.
      > >>>
      > >>>I never felt a lot of antipathy towards the predominance of males
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >playing roles
      > >
      > >
      > >>>of questers, heroes, rescuers,
      > >>>adventurers because I identified w. them as PEOPLE. It didn't seem
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >to occur to
      > >
      > >
      > >>>me that "Oh I can't rescue
      > >>>Frodo or carry the Ring bcs. I'm a GIRL." It was some yrs. later
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >that I was
      > >
      > >
      > >>>exposed to the feminist crit. of
      > >>>literature. And I still insisted "Enter the role of the Hero as a
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >HUMAN BEING
      > >
      > >
      > >>>first"! I guess that kept me
      > >>>a little saner than I might otherwise have felt!
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>Bonnie
      > >>>
      > >>>Stolzi wrote:
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>>I recently tried to get some help on the quote by cross-posting to
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >the CSL
      > >
      > >
      > >>>>list, SpareOom. One of their members wrote
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>>A wonderful clue! I've found the letter
      > >>>>>to Barfield. It
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>was written June 19, 1930. In it, Lewis mentions
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>Coventry
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>Patmore's "Angel in the House," and writes this to
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>Barfield: "What
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>particularly impressed me was his taking--what one
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>expects to find
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>mentioned only in anti-feminists--the lilithian
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>desire to be admired
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>and making it his chief point--the lover as
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>primarily the mechanism
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>by wh. [sic] the woman's beauty apprehends itself."
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>'Lewis expands on the idea in the next paragraph
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>("The idea of female
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>beauty is the erotic stimulus for women as well as
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>men.") He then
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>says: "You are very good on this, in Margaret in the
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>novel,"
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>referring, as Hooper helpfully says in a footnote,
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>to Barfield's
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>>novel, English People.
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>>>
      > >>>>ENGLISH PEOPLE, I have learned, was never published and is in an
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >archive
      > >
      > >
      > >>>>somewhere, I think at the Wade Collection. But this citation of a
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >Lewis
      > >
      > >
      > >>>>letter may be the first time the idea of the "lilithian desire"
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >crossed
      > >
      > >
      > >>>>CSL's mind.
      > >>>>
      > >>>>Other readers checked the Patmore original and did not find the
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >quote there.
      > >
      > >
      > >>>>I incline more and more to think that Lewis (a master of pastiche
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >in any
      > >
      > >
      > >>>>case) composed the quote which Jane reads, himself.
      > >>>>
      > >>>>Diamond Proudbrook
      > >>>>
      > >>>>The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
      > >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>
      > >>>The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
      > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >>>
      > >>>
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      > >The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
      > >Yahoo! Groups Links
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