Re: [mythsoc] Re: A. N. Wilson's biography
- On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Mike Foster wrote:
> A detailed and well-deserved demolition of Wilson's anti-hagiography.Have to disagree with you on that point, Mike. As it happens, Wilson
> As to footnote #3, a look at the transcripts of Lyle Dorsett's
> interviews with D. Gresham and G. Sayer at Wheaton [Ill] College's
> Collection might have been helpful to the author of this review--as it
> would have been to another recent CSL biographer reviewed elsewhere.
did not make this up; I was present when Douglas Gresham said that he
saw his mother and CSL having sex. For years I thought it was during
his 1983 Wade Lecture, but recently I listened to my tape of the
event (which unfortunately stops before he wrapped up) and it's not
on that, so I think it must have been at the reception back at the
old Wade Center afterwards.
The issue was not, of course, whether CSL had remained a lifelong
virgin; that's just a typical piece of Wilsonian hyperbole (having
edited the Lewis-Greeves letters, Fr. Hooper knew better). But at
that time Hooper was maintaining that CSL and Joy Gresham never
consumated their marriage; that the bedside religious service had
been an act of charity on Lewis's part to humor a dying woman no less
than the earlier legal marriage. Thereafter ill health and no doubt
religious scruples would have kept their relationship platonic (I
believe he has since abandoned this position). Lyle Dorsett, in the
course of researching Joy Davidman Gresham Lewis's life, was
convinced otherwise; among other things he had turned up letters she
had written to a friend back in America describing how pleased she
was to discover that Lewis was good in bed. These could of course be
dismissed as flights of fantasy by a very very ill woman or
comforting lies so her friends wouldn't worry, but that would have
been profoundly out of character for J.D.G.L. When Lyle asked Gresham
what he thought, Douglas G. replied that he knew for a fact that
their union was consummated because he'd once walked in on them
inadvertently. I don't think he said when this occurred, but I assume
it was at the Kilns and so after the marriage.
I don't know why Wilson changed the original passage; probably
because after the point was challenged he couldn't confirm what he'd
written from the public record and so hedged his bets.
Still not had time to read all the Dutch piece, but a quick glance
isn't reassuring. I suppose one person's salutary chastisement is
another person's carping, but I found it altogether too smug.
A pity Sayer, who researched his biography in the years immediately
following Lewis's death, didn't write it up until two decades later,
when he was a very old man and details had faded from his memory; I
admire his book as a wonderful memoir of his friend, but Wilson's for
all its flaws is better as a biography. A pity Wilson let Carpenter
goad him into being more iconoclastic than would otherwise have been
the case. An even greater pity that Lyle, whose book on JDGL is an
amazing piece of work, hasn't written a biography of CSL himself.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Stolzi wrote:
> I'm also waiting for a Frey-type parody which explains all the
> major, major
> lies in SURPRISED BY JOY. Mr Bratman? Dr Williams?
Well, one of Lewis's fellow Inklings said the title should have been
SUPPRESSED BY JACK, which implies that those who knew him best were
well aware that the book was a polemic with a clear didactic goal in
mind and not straightforward autobiography. The same has been claimed
for A GRIEF OBSERVED, but that point is hotly debated. And then
there's Barfield's contribution to LIGHT ON C.S. LEWIS, which Tolkien
said got closer to the real truth about Lewis than any other
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- A detailed and well-deserved demolition of Wilson's anti-hagiography.
As to footnote #3, a look at the transcripts of Lyle Dorsett's
interviews with D. Gresham and G. Sayer at Wheaton [Ill] College's Wade
Collection might have been helpful to the author of this review--as it
would have been to another recent CSL biographer reviewed elsewhere.
>I was hoping that my mail client now makes sure to enclose all of a lengthy
>URL when mailing it, but I may have to go back to using TinyURL.
>Here's one for the Smilde piece http://tinyurl.com/9ns8n
>The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
>Yahoo! Groups Links
- Thanks. I was thus able to retrieve the article and am reading it.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stolzi" <Stolzi@c...> wrote:
> I was hoping that my mail client now makes sure to enclose all of a
> URL when mailing it, but I may have to go back to using TinyURL.
> Here's one for the Smilde piece http://tinyurl.com/9ns8n
> Sorry folks!
> Diamond Proudbrook
- The problem is that in the first edition of his biography of Lewis, Wilson
claimed that Gresham said that he saw Lewis and Davidman having sex *before*
they were married. This was why Wilson dropped the story in his later
editions without comment. I remember this quite specifically from my reading of the
first edition because I commented on it in a letter I wrote to _Mythprint_.
I also commented on Wilson's absurd misreading of the "Nazi, homosexual
pleasures" letter (from Lewis's letters, where Wilson ridiculously attributed a
student's comment that Lewis made fun of to Lewis himself). This story was
also dropped in the later editions without comment.
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