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Re: [mythsoc] Question about LOTR and redeeming Nordicmythology

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  • Bonnie Callahan
    Good stuff, David! Ironically, I now have 3 degrees of separation to that ruddy li l ignoramus . My neighbor s father knew Werhner Von Braun, who told her &
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 5, 2006
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      Good stuff, David!

      Ironically, I now have 3 degrees of separation to that "ruddy li'l
      ignoramus'". My neighbor's father knew
      Werhner Von Braun, who told her & her family in the '50s about how Adolph had
      become a whitehaired little
      wacko in a totally psycho state in his bunker, didn't have any photos taken of
      him after the early '40s. Now I want to dredge this lode of info for more! I
      assume the rotten little spud didn't repent of any of his craziness, but the
      image of that
      wizened Einsteinian guy ranting in the darknesses...sounds like one of the
      archetypal novels we read & write.

      Here we are, still only one or so generations removed from Tolkien and those
      he shared history with. Let us not forget, let us keep passing the memories as
      best as we can to the future.

      Bonnie Callahan

      David Bratman wrote:

      > At 05:25 PM 1/4/2006 +0000, Sharon Bolding wrote:
      > >I spent part of the holidays watching a one-day marathon of all three
      > >LOTR movies. While watching it occured to me that Tolkein was showing
      > >the Nordic tradition in its most positive way for the triumpth of good.
      > >And at the same time, I was thinking about how the Nazi in WWII really
      > >twisted and corrupted that same tradition to evil intents. Is there any
      > >research or even any basis to believe that Tolkein may have tried to
      > >redeem the mythology from it's false corruption by the Nazi?
      >
      > You bet he did. In both his literary and scholarly work. He wrote to a
      > son serving in World War II: "I have in this War a burning private grudge -
      > which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22 [in
      > World War I]: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler ... [for]
      > ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble
      > northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved,
      > and tried to present in its true light."
      >
      > [in above quote, for "Tolkein" read "Tolkien", for "Nazi" read "Nazis" and
      > for "it's" read "its"]
      >
      > DB
      >
      > The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
      >
    • Croft, Janet B.
      I have four degrees of separation myself -- when my husband was in grad school in physics, he shook the hand of a professor who shook the hand of Von Braun.
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        I have four degrees of separation myself -- when my husband was in grad
        school in physics, he shook the hand of a professor who shook the hand
        of Von Braun. We've also seen Von Braun's personal slide rule (although
        that won't send shivers up the spine of anyone but a slide rule
        collector, probably).


        Janet

        -----Original Message-----
        From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        Of Bonnie Callahan
        Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:17 AM
        To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Question about LOTR and redeeming Nordicmythology

        Good stuff, David!

        Ironically, I now have 3 degrees of separation to that "ruddy li'l
        ignoramus'". My neighbor's father knew Werhner Von Braun, who told her &
        her family in the '50s about how Adolph had become a whitehaired little
        wacko in a totally psycho state in his bunker, didn't have any photos
        taken of him after the early '40s. Now I want to dredge this lode of
        info for more! I assume the rotten little spud didn't repent of any of
        his craziness, but the image of that wizened Einsteinian guy ranting in
        the darknesses...sounds like one of the archetypal novels we read &
        write.

        Here we are, still only one or so generations removed from Tolkien and
        those he shared history with. Let us not forget, let us keep passing the
        memories as best as we can to the future.

        Bonnie Callahan

        David Bratman wrote:

        > At 05:25 PM 1/4/2006 +0000, Sharon Bolding wrote:
        > >I spent part of the holidays watching a one-day marathon of all three

        > >LOTR movies. While watching it occured to me that Tolkein was showing

        > >the Nordic tradition in its most positive way for the triumpth of
        good.
        > >And at the same time, I was thinking about how the Nazi in WWII
        > >really twisted and corrupted that same tradition to evil intents. Is
        > >there any research or even any basis to believe that Tolkein may have

        > >tried to redeem the mythology from it's false corruption by the Nazi?
        >
        > You bet he did. In both his literary and scholarly work. He wrote to

        > a son serving in World War II: "I have in this War a burning private
        > grudge - which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I
        > was at 22 [in World War I]: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf
        > Hitler ... [for] ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever

        > accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to
        > Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true
        light."
        >
        > [in above quote, for "Tolkein" read "Tolkien", for "Nazi" read "Nazis"

        > and for "it's" read "its"]
        >
        > DB
        >
        > The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org Yahoo! Groups
        > Links
        >
        >
        >
        >



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