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  • Katie Glick
    On 7 Dec 2005 15:32:41 -0000, mythsoc@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wha-at!?!?! No more Merchant of Venice because of some
    Message 1 of 7 , Dec 7, 2005
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      On 7 Dec 2005 15:32:41 -0000, mythsoc@yahoogroups.com <
      mythsoc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      "Wha-at!?!?! No more Merchant of Venice because of some Anti-Semitism!?!?"

      Please, you could say any of Shakespeare's plays was "anti" something or has
      something objectionable:

      King Lear - Misogyny (Regan and Goneril), violence

      Titus Andronicus - Misogyny (Tamora), violence

      MacBeth - Anti-Scottish, also misogyny (Lady MacBeth)

      Othello - Racist, or anti-black

      Romeo and Juliet - Teenage sex, teenage suicide

      Midsummer Night's Dream - homosexuality (fairies), makes fun of short people

      Taming of the Shrew - Misogynist

      All's Well That Ends Well - adultery

      As You Like It - Crossdressing

      Measure for Measure - pregnancy out of wedlock

      ...and on and on and on.

      Rather than ban it outright how about encouraging discussion of the issue
      instead? I think that's much more helpful and thoughtful, especially since
      Shylock's monologue, no matter what else is in the play is one of the
      greatest entreaties AGAINST prejudice and racism in history. Especially
      since there's an interesting history lesson here, there's a lot to study
      about the status of Jews in England at the time this play was written and to
      compare it to society today and the status of various races.

      But, no, let's just ban it, instead.

      -kt


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    • Jay Hershberger
      KT: Rather than ban it outright how about encouraging discussion of the issue instead? I think that s much more helpful and thoughtful, especially since
      Message 2 of 7 , Dec 7, 2005
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        KT: Rather than ban it outright how about encouraging discussion of the
        issue
        instead? I think that's much more helpful and thoughtful, especially
        since
        Shylock's monologue, no matter what else is in the play is one of the
        greatest entreaties AGAINST prejudice and racism in history. Especially
        since there's an interesting history lesson here, there's a lot to study
        about the status of Jews in England at the time this play was written
        and to
        compare it to society today and the status of various races.

        But, no, let's just ban it, instead.

        -kt

        JH: Well, Katie, your problem is that you are bringing logic and
        principled reason to bear upon all of this. That sort of thing seems in
        short supply in many academic discussions of such things. That there
        really is a view in the academy about the Merchant of Venice being so
        odious on the issue of anti-Semitism as to merit censure tells one more
        about the state of the academy than anything else. All we need do is
        follow Toynbee's and Pullman's logic (dubious use of the word, I dare
        say) to its conclusion and one may arrive at censure and ban for Tolkien
        and Lewis.

        I think your solution-discussion and critique-is constructive, useful,
        and proper.

        Cheers,

        Jay Hershberger
        Associate Professor of Music
        Concordia College, Moorhead, MN


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      • Jonathan Michael Reiter
        I don t WANT to ban Shakespeare, Far From It! I think it ought to be in the curriculum every where there are kids going to school, who are old enough to read,
        Message 3 of 7 , Dec 7, 2005
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          I don't WANT to ban Shakespeare, Far From It! I think it ought to be in the curriculum every where there are kids going to school, who are old enough to read, let alone be reading the classics...
          Atomtetsuwan2002
          at2k2
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Katie Glick
          To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:58 AM
          Subject: [mythsoc] Re: [Banning Shakespeare


          On 7 Dec 2005 15:32:41 -0000, mythsoc@yahoogroups.com <
          mythsoc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          "Wha-at!?!?! No more Merchant of Venice because of some Anti-Semitism!?!?"

          Please, you could say any of Shakespeare's plays was "anti" something or has
          something objectionable:

          King Lear - Misogyny (Regan and Goneril), violence

          Titus Andronicus - Misogyny (Tamora), violence

          MacBeth - Anti-Scottish, also misogyny (Lady MacBeth)

          Othello - Racist, or anti-black

          Romeo and Juliet - Teenage sex, teenage suicide

          Midsummer Night's Dream - homosexuality (fairies), makes fun of short people

          Taming of the Shrew - Misogynist

          All's Well That Ends Well - adultery

          As You Like It - Crossdressing

          Measure for Measure - pregnancy out of wedlock

          ...and on and on and on.

          Rather than ban it outright how about encouraging discussion of the issue
          instead? I think that's much more helpful and thoughtful, especially since
          Shylock's monologue, no matter what else is in the play is one of the
          greatest entreaties AGAINST prejudice and racism in history. Especially
          since there's an interesting history lesson here, there's a lot to study
          about the status of Jews in England at the time this play was written and to
          compare it to society today and the status of various races.

          But, no, let's just ban it, instead.

          -kt


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        • Mike Foster
          Here in America s heartburn, the vast Midwest, a woman teacher recently fired for teaching Chaucer to high school seniors in Eureka, Illinois, home of E.
          Message 4 of 7 , Dec 16, 2005
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            Here in America's heartburn, the vast Midwest, a woman teacher recently
            fired for teaching Chaucer to high school seniors in Eureka, Illinois,
            home of E. College, Ronnie Reagan's alma mom.

            '"Tee hee," quoth Alisoun, and clapped the window to.'

            Jonathan Michael Reiter wrote:

            >I don't WANT to ban Shakespeare, Far From It! I think it ought to be in the curriculum every where there are kids going to school, who are old enough to read, let alone be reading the classics...
            >Atomtetsuwan2002
            >at2k2
          • Jonathan Michael Reiter
            I m so sorry to be reading that. Chaucer, Shakespeare, You name them; They all ought to be on the curriculum for students from K through PH.D Level.
            Message 5 of 7 , Dec 16, 2005
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              I'm so sorry to be reading that. Chaucer, Shakespeare, You name them; They all ought to be on the curriculum for students from K through PH.D Level. They're the classics of Literature that can't be beat, and from there the other classics, from Science Fiction, Speculative Fiction, Gothic, Horror... They should even be reading about Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Junior and many more.
              Atomtetsuwan2002
              at2k2
              ps; Censorship is evil, and only the thin edge of the wedge that is fascist or socialist totalitarianism.
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              From: Mike Foster
              To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:54 AM
              Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Re: [Banning Shakespeare


              Here in America's heartburn, the vast Midwest, a woman teacher recently
              fired for teaching Chaucer to high school seniors in Eureka, Illinois,
              home of E. College, Ronnie Reagan's alma mom.

              '"Tee hee," quoth Alisoun, and clapped the window to.'

              Jonathan Michael Reiter wrote:

              >I don't WANT to ban Shakespeare, Far From It! I think it ought to be in the curriculum every where there are kids going to school, who are old enough to read, let alone be reading the classics...
              >Atomtetsuwan2002
              >at2k2




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            • WendellWag@aol.com
              In a message dated 12/16/2005 11:24:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mafoster@direcway.com writes: Here in America s heartburn, the vast Midwest, a woman
              Message 6 of 7 , Dec 16, 2005
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                In a message dated 12/16/2005 11:24:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                mafoster@... writes:

                Here in America's heartburn, the vast Midwest, a woman teacher recently
                fired for teaching Chaucer to high school seniors in Eureka, Illinois,
                home of E. College, Ronnie Reagan's alma mom.


                Could you tell us more about this? What specifically was the objection to
                Chaucer that was cited in firing this woman? Did they claim that Chaucer was
                a known supporter of Al Qaeda and the woman was therefore teaching the
                children to be terrorists? What was this about?

                Wendell Wagner


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              • Mike Foster
                It was about the Miller s Tale. Mike
                Message 7 of 7 , Dec 16, 2005
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                  It was about the Miller's Tale.

                  Mike

                  WendellWag@... wrote:

                  >
                  >In a message dated 12/16/2005 11:24:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
                  >mafoster@... writes:
                  >
                  >Here in America's heartburn, the vast Midwest, a woman teacher recently
                  >fired for teaching Chaucer to high school seniors in Eureka, Illinois,
                  >home of E. College, Ronnie Reagan's alma mom.
                  >
                  >
                  >Could you tell us more about this? What specifically was the objection to
                  >Chaucer that was cited in firing this woman? Did they claim that Chaucer was
                  >a known supporter of Al Qaeda and the woman was therefore teaching the
                  >children to be terrorists? What was this about?
                  >
                  >Wendell Wagner
                  >
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