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  • Jonathan Michael Reiter
    Wha-at!?!?! No more Merchant of Venice because of some Anti-Semitism!?!? Perish THAT thought! The Bard represents the beginnings of Modern Literature after
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      Wha-at!?!?! No more Merchant of Venice because of some Anti-Semitism!?!? Perish THAT thought! The Bard represents the beginnings of Modern Literature after the Medieval Era. I like to think of Shakespeare as being the first Modern Author after that time... No more of the Bard because of that shameful unfortunate nuance?
      More's the pity. Without those flaws, we cease to learn such niggardly things as Right vs. Wrong. Those are the sort of things that has made Shakespeare so popular, lo, these many centuries.

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      From: Jay Hershberger
      To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:21 PM
      Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | 'Narnia represents everything that is most hateful about religion'



      Toynbee: "Tolkien hated Narnia: the two dons may have shared the same
      love of
      unquestioning feudal power, with worlds of obedient plebs and inferior
      folk
      eager to bend at the knee to any passing superior white persons - even
      children; both their fantasy worlds and their Christianity assumes that
      rigid hierarchy of power - lord of lords, king of kings, prince of peace
      to
      be worshipped and adored. But Tolkien disliked Lewis's bully-pulpit."

      JH: Perhaps all of this points to the cultural divide between
      traditionalists and, for lack of a better term (please offer a more
      accurate term if you like), revisionists. Traditional religion does
      posit a divine and human hierarchy, divine law and its human reflection,
      and a specific divinely appointed means of communion between humans and
      the divine being. Where Lewis was explicit in his fiction, Tolkien was
      more subtle, or even silent in his, but they both assumed fiercely
      traditional religious notions in their thinking. At some point, Ms.
      Toynbee might entertain the notion that people ought not to read Tolkien
      or Lewis because the traditional ideas they present in their fiction are
      subversive or dangerous to post-modern egalitarian sensibilities. This
      would not be unlike the controversy in certain academic theatre circles
      which claim that there should be no more performances of Shakespeare's
      The Merchant of Venice because of its anti-Semitism. The argument put
      forward against Shakespeare's play is that its cultural value is so
      overshadowed by the events of recent history that we must sacrifice that
      value in order to assuage the culmination of centuries of violence and
      bigotry against Jewish people (DB-I would be glad to hear your opinion
      on this, if you like). If Toynbee continues to argue against many of
      the underlying assumptions in Lewis' and Tolkien's worldviews, she may
      force herself into such a position regarding Middle Earth and Narnia.

      Huey P. Long, the notorious Louisiana populist politician, said that
      when fascism comes to America, it will come in the guise of
      anti-fascism.

      Cheers,

      Jay Hershberger
      Moorhead, MN


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