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Re: [mythsoc] Digest Number 2071

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  • Hugh Davis
    I am aware of and have read about Pullman, but I ve never read him. Could someone contact me off list to answer some questions, so I don t bog down the list
    Message 1 of 5 , Dec 4, 2005
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      I am aware of and have read about Pullman, but I've never read him. Could
      someone contact me off list to answer some questions, so I don't bog down
      the list with a rehash of old news?

      Thank you,

      Hugh Davis
      HughHDavis@...


      >From: Mike Foster <mafoster@...>
      >Reply-To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      >To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Digest Number 2071
      >Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:58:16 -0600
      >
      >When I was teaching in Canterbury Christ Church University College in
      >2004, the Fiction & Drama sequence for first-years, Pullman's
      >book--called Northern Lights in the UK--was on the syllabus. I found
      >the settings, the characters, and much else to admire, but of course it
      >doesn't end per se--it would be like teaching Tolkien and stopping right
      >after Fellowship.
      >
      >But of course Pullman is grinding away at his own dark Satanic mills,
      >turning Mother Kirk into Mommy Dearest. Do you think his snarls at JRRT
      >& CSL are a bit of a ploy, a pose, rather like Tolkien's professed
      >mislike of Shakespeare?
      >
      >Mike
      >
      >Bonnie Callahan wrote:
      >
      > >Christine does raise a salient point. i've seen victims of abuse that
      >involved
      > >religious themes
      > >either become crazed atheist firebrands or found their own equally
      >abusive
      > >cults. What goes on
      > >in these minds? I'd love to set Phil down in a pub and pick his brain
      >over a
      > >couple of pints!
      > >
      > >Bonnie
      > >
      > >Christine Howlett wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >>I think that Philip Pullman is a talented writer with great powers of
      > >>imagination. I started reading his trilogy, having been intrigued by
      >some
      > >>reviews of the first book, The Golden Compass. It was very well-done,
      >and
      > >>the protagonist child, Lyra, was an interesting person and the parallel
      > >>universe was powerfully imagined. I thought it was far too dark for the
      > >>supposed target audience of children, but for teenagers and adults it
      >was
      > >>fine. The second book was another matter and I could not get over it.
      >It
      > >>was far darker and more violent, and it became explicit that the
      >religious
      > >>figures were the bad guys, which I could have accepted (power corrupts
      >even
      > >>the believers) except that the characters who had been violent and
      >greedy in
      > >>the first book are somehow now to become the good guys? No, can't
      >handle
      > >>that. I didn't pick up the third one. Between the book reviews and the
      > >>comments among the mythsoccers it was obvious that I would have really
      > >>disliked it. It seems such a shame and such a waste that a marvelously
      > >>talented person like Pullman is putting this talent to trying to prove
      >that
      > >>black is white and bad is good. It does make me wonder what rabid
      >preacher
      > >>bit him as a child.
      > >> Christine
      > >>
      > >>From: "Cai Cherie" <eternityfindsitself@...>
      > >>To: <mythsoc@yahoogroups.com>>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>>Thank you Proudbrook for posting the CHE article that actually quotes
      > >>>Pullman. Up to now I have assumed that since Pullman is considered a
      >good
      > >>>author, his objections to Narnia made sense. I had heard about his
      > >>>charges of sexism and racism and there is some of what we now consider
      >to
      > >>>be sexism and racism in the books. Yet it obviously stems from Lewis's
      > >>>being at a certain time and place in history. And there is some
      >violence
      > >>>that can be gratifying in ways alot of folks do not like to
      >acknowledge,
      > >>>so the sadism charge has some truth to it (especially to the reader who
      >is
      > >>>already prone in that direction and so picks up on it most readily.)
      >But
      > >>>to say Lewis preaches that death is better than life or that there is
      >no
      > >>>love in Narnia? No love?
      > >>>
      > >>> Is Pullman morally insane? Or he has never read Narnia? Unfortunetly,
      >it
      > >>>must be one or the other, is there any other possibility? Perhaps he
      >was
      > >>>drunk when he said that? If Pullman can lie to himself and others so
      >as
      > >>>to say there is no love in Narnia, or if he is constitutionally unable
      >to
      > >>>apphrend the love in Narnia, something is off. Way way off. Whatever
      >bent
      > >>>him this badly is very sad and vey tragic, since he is said to have
      >great
      > >>>talents. But he seems to be pleased to be bent so badly, and that is
      >the
      > >>>saddest thing of all. Let us hope, pray and bless what is good in him
      >in
      > >>>real hope that God will have mercy on him and bring him to his senses.
      > >>>
      > >>> Lets start at the beginning. Does anyone know -why- he is morally
      > >>>insane. If that was commonly understood, it might help him move on to
      >a
      > >>>better understanding of himself and his views.
      > >>>
      > >>> Cai, who realizes she has been too patient and tolorent on this one.
      > >>>
      > >>> P.S.
      > >>>
      > >>> Rowling, in talking about some how some misguided conservative
      >Christians
      > >>>saw develry in "Harry Potter" said something like -- "when a donkey
      >looks
      > >>>in a mirror the author is not responsible for what the poor ass sees."
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