Re: [mythsoc] John Ronald Reuel Tolkien and geopolitics.
- At 02:06 PM 5/21/2005 -0400, Pat Wynne wrote:
>Hey, here's an idea -- let's talk about how the new Star WarsSorry, Pat. I sat through all the Jackson films so that I could
>movie parallels the war in Iraq! David, you go first! ;-)
legitimately talk about them, but asking me to watch George Lucas is going
Just a couple remarks about the original post:
At 05:20 PM 5/21/2005 +0000, Alex Fantalov wrote:
>Geopolitics of "The Lord of the Rings" is absolutely precise. WestAntagonists are not precisely divided with the River. Saruman is west of
>Kings fighting against of the East - to `gloomy Mordor'. Antagonists
>are divided with the River (whether Danube, whether Volga).
it; Thranduil and Dain are east of it. More importantly, both sides can
cross the River and frequently do: this is important to the plot The
Nazgul are usually seen by us west of the River; Faramir is usually seen
east of it.
Nor were Cold War antagonists divided with the Danube or Volga (or the
Rhine, mentioned later).
>The stronghold Gondor can correspond to Hungary (resisting to Turks)No it is not. Tolkien specifically denied this in his Letters (p. 409). A
>or Austria. But the name is borrowed from the Ethiopian geography
glance at the History of Middle-earth would show that the name was
originally Ond, later Ondor, derived from an old word for "stone".
Historically I'd describe Gondor as far more equivalent to the Byzantine
- David Bratman