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Re: [mythsoc] From the Council of Stewards

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  • Carl F. Hostetter
    Just to show the sort of regard for all views that malcontents from this list are supposedly championing, consider this couple of choice quotes that one
    Message 1 of 40 , May 10, 2005
      Just to show the sort of "regard for all views" that malcontents from
      this list are supposedly championing, consider this couple of choice
      quotes that one splinter-group founder has seen as accurately
      characterizing this list:

      "Woo hoo, those of you who have left there for here (versus stayed
      there AND come here as well) there is a major battle going on over
      there. It's pretty silly if you ask me. The Council of Stewards is
      attempting to create some new guidelines so that recent
      unpleasantnesses will not recur. And of course, the Status Quo is
      being challenged, and it is fighting mightily."


      ("Major battle"? The fact that views disagreed with are
      hyperbolically mischaracterized is, of course, not surprising. What
      is surprising is that anyone feels we should take such views as
      useful for determining the state and course of this list.)

      "I believe the reason the comment [regarding Diana Paxson's "Westria"
      series] was made offlist was that the books are, fairly naturally I
      think, written in a non-Christian frame of reference, and that can be
      a problem on [the Mythsoc] list."


      (I'm not aware of _any_ case on the list where commenting on works
      "written in non-Christian frame of reference" has proven in any way
      to be "a problem", so I invite Lizzie to please back up her assertion
      with even one example.)

      6 by the grace of the Council.
    • Elizabeth Apgar Triano
      Hi Bill how s the coffee? Mine s not so great lately. Yes, I would like to see more about other authors. I do love Tolkien, honestly the man was a genius,
      Message 40 of 40 , May 11, 2005
        Hi Bill how's the coffee? Mine's not so great lately.

        Yes, I would like to see more about other authors. I do love Tolkien,
        honestly the man was a genius, but I want to hear more about today too.
        And I especially want to know who else reads Kazantzakis, or knows people
        who do. I am behind in my reading, but he's one of my favorites, and I'd
        really like some insights.

        Do you know that there are rats with curly coats? I have never seen one.
        Do you think they would have better insulation when they had to swim away
        from the ship?

        Lizzie (squeak)

        Elizabeth Apgar Triano
        amor vincit omnia

        > [Original Message]
        > From: Bill West <lunacy2@...>
        > To: <mythsoc@yahoogroups.com>
        > Date: 5/11/2005 2:31:44 PM
        > Subject: Re: [mythsoc] From the Council of Stewards
        > In the interest of full disclosure, let me say upfront that I am
        > co-moderator of the
        > other list with Lizzie.
        > This might be rambling. I slept in late and my first cup of coffee
        > hasn't quite
        > taken hold as yet. Apologies in advance.
        > While I am not one of the listmembers who has written Joan privately
        > the list, I have expressed similiar opinions in posts here. I wasn't
        > certain
        > how many others might feel the same way until folks began joining the
        > Disaffected
        > List. There's a lot of people on this list who never post and while I'm
        > sure there's
        > many who are see no problem, I'm equally sure there are others who do
        > but
        > prefer not to voice it and deal with the fall out after.
        > For example, those who've written Joan offlist have been labeled
        > "malcontents".
        > It makes them sound like sailors downbelow decks plotting mutiny.
        > Why should anyone who raises a legitmate concern about the tone and
        > content
        > of the list be stuck with such a label?
        > It points to the reason why they took it in private to Joan.
        > I think I've been on this list three or four years now, and for the
        > most part,
        > it's usually the same group of about a dozen folks involved in the
        > discussions.
        > I know from being on other lists that not everyone on a mail list
        > participates
        > but I would have thought I'd see some others out of 310 members
        > occasionally
        > over a three or four year span. A good portion of them most likely simply
        > agree with the opinions the others expressed and see no reason to add
        > comments.
        > And others..and I readily concede they may be few...might not agree but
        > don't speak because they've seen how some others who've advanced an
        > idea contrary to the active group are sometimes treated.
        > The other list was started after the last go round over Lewis
        > because it became
        > exactly that..a go-round..with the tone becoming..umm..shall we
        > say...acidic? Liz
        > and I emailed back and forth about it and then started the Disaffected
        > list as a place
        > where some of the issues raised here could be continued a bit more
        > civily and other
        > authors outside of the Inklings could be discussed. We hope people will
        > feel able to
        > raise any issue for spirited debate without fear of unkind commentary.
        > Now..all that being said..
        > I must disagree respectfully with the proposed Rule change. I'm a
        > bookseller.
        > I deal in ideas. Limiting how many posts a person can make a day (except
        > cases of abuse, such as flooding or spamming) seems a form of censorship.I
        > think that Joan has done a great job and I trust her to continue to do so
        > without the imposing of any barriers to the flow of ideas.
        > I know I have more to say but that first cup of coffee has come and
        > gone
        > and I think I'm going to go make another.
        > Bill
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