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  • Stolzi
    I m not sure what she s driving at, precisely, in this Shakespeare-themed article for THE SPECTATOR (requires registration) but it s somewhat interesting. The
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 24, 2005
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      I'm not sure what she's driving at, precisely, in this Shakespeare-themed
      article for THE SPECTATOR (requires registration) but it's somewhat
      interesting. The only Tolkien passage is this:

      " Middle Earth is the latest reincarnation of the cherished fantasy of
      Merrie England, which is partly why The Lord of the Rings is voted the
      nation's favourite work of fiction in poll after poll. Tolkien's nonsense
      encourages the English to believe that they are who they think they are, as
      distinct from who they really are. They think they are more reasonable,
      fair, friendly and reliable than any other people on the planet, when they
      have no more reason for thinking so than for believing in St George or his
      dragon."

      http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6003&page=1

      Diamond Proudbrook
    • Elizabeth Apgar Triano
      I m new to this subject. What s her axe she s grinding? Sheesh. Lizzie Elizabeth Apgar Triano lizziewriter@earthlink.net amor vincit omnia
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 24, 2005
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        I'm new to this subject. What's her axe she's grinding? Sheesh.

        Lizzie

        Elizabeth Apgar Triano
        lizziewriter@...
        amor vincit omnia
        www.lizziewriter.com
        www.danburymineralogicalsociety.org


        > [Original Message]
        > From: Stolzi <Stolzi@...>
        > To: Mythopoeic Society <mythsoc@yahoogroups.com>
        > Date: 4/24/2005 6:10:23 PM
        > Subject: [mythsoc] Germaine Greer has at Tolkien again...
        >
        >
        > I'm not sure what she's driving at, precisely, in this Shakespeare-themed
        > article for THE SPECTATOR (requires registration) but it's somewhat
        > interesting. The only Tolkien passage is this:
        >
        > " Middle Earth is the latest reincarnation of the cherished fantasy of
        > Merrie England, which is partly why The Lord of the Rings is voted the
        > nation's favourite work of fiction in poll after poll. Tolkien's nonsense
        > encourages the English to believe that they are who they think they are,
        as
        > distinct from who they really are. They think they are more reasonable,
        > fair, friendly and reliable than any other people on the planet, when they
        > have no more reason for thinking so than for believing in St George or his
        > dragon."
        >
        > http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6003&page=1
        >
        > Diamond Proudbrook
        >
      • WendellWag@aol.com
        In a message dated 4/24/2005 7:01:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Stolzi@comcast.net writes (quoting Germaine Greer): Middle Earth is the latest reincarnation
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 24, 2005
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          In a message dated 4/24/2005 7:01:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
          Stolzi@... writes (quoting Germaine Greer):

          Middle Earth is the latest reincarnation of the cherished fantasy of
          Merrie England


          Well, the Shire, not Middle-earth, is in some sense a reincarnation of
          "Merrie England." Perhaps it was Tolkien's rose-colored-glasses memory of what
          pre-World-War-I England was like. I don't see that this has any relevance to
          what most English people do or don't think of England today as being like.
          Once again, this is Greer trying to argue that the popularity of Tolkien has to
          do with some (non-existent) wish-fulfillment dream of its readers, not its
          literary quality.

          Wendell Wagner


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        • jamcconney@aol.com
          Well yes, so what? Every nation probably has an image of itself (Americans see themselves as standing undaunted on the ramparts of freedom) and what s wrong
          Message 4 of 6 , Apr 25, 2005
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            Well yes, so what? Every nation probably has an image of itself (Americans
            see themselves as standing undaunted on the ramparts of freedom) and what's
            wrong with that? As long as it's a good image it gives the natives of whatever
            country a noble ideal to live up to, then even though not every citizen can
            live up to the ideal every time, it will still shape his/her responses to the
            world. If the English think of themselves as reasonable and fair, then that's
            a good thing. Would the rest of the world prefer that they thought
            themselves unreasonable and unfair and did their best to live up to it?

            Anne


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          • dianejoy@earthlink.net
            Her axe is feminism, radical socialist variety. ? (Christine Hoff Summer s *Who Stole Feminism* is an excellent summary of events in the 80s and 90s, btw,
            Message 5 of 6 , Apr 26, 2005
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              Her axe is feminism, radical socialist variety. ? (Christine Hoff
              Summer's *Who Stole Feminism* is an excellent summary of events in the 80s
              and 90s, btw, along w/ Joan Kennedy Taylor's *Individualist Faminism
              Revisited,* a great historical summary of how things went wrong.)

              But truly, does anyone actually pay attention to Germaine Greer anymore? I
              also hear Andrea Dworkin just died recently, too. Frankly, I think Andre
              Norton did more for feminism than either. ---djb

              Original Message:
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              From: Elizabeth Apgar Triano lizziewriter@...
              Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:05:36 -0400
              To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Germaine Greer has at Tolkien again...




              I'm new to this subject. What's her axe she's grinding? Sheesh.

              Lizzie

              Elizabeth Apgar Triano
              lizziewriter@...
              amor vincit omnia
              www.lizziewriter.com
              www.danburymineralogicalsociety.org


              > [Original Message]
              > From: Stolzi <Stolzi@...>
              > To: Mythopoeic Society <mythsoc@yahoogroups.com>
              > Date: 4/24/2005 6:10:23 PM
              > Subject: [mythsoc] Germaine Greer has at Tolkien again...
              >
              >
              > I'm not sure what she's driving at, precisely, in this Shakespeare-themed
              > article for THE SPECTATOR (requires registration) but it's somewhat
              > interesting. The only Tolkien passage is this:
              >
              > " Middle Earth is the latest reincarnation of the cherished fantasy of
              > Merrie England, which is partly why The Lord of the Rings is voted the
              > nation's favourite work of fiction in poll after poll. Tolkien's nonsense
              > encourages the English to believe that they are who they think they are,
              as
              > distinct from who they really are. They think they are more reasonable,
              > fair, friendly and reliable than any other people on the planet, when they
              > have no more reason for thinking so than for believing in St George or his
              > dragon."
              >
              > http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6003&page=1
              >
              > Diamond Proudbrook
              >








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            • WendellWag@aol.com
              Greer s ax is that she doesn t like Tolkien and therefore no one else can like Tolkien for a purely literary reason. She apparently considers herself the
              Message 6 of 6 , Apr 26, 2005
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                Greer's ax is that she doesn't like Tolkien and therefore no one else can
                like Tolkien for a purely literary reason. She apparently considers herself
                the ultimate arbiter of literary taste and can't believe that other people
                might differ so greatly from her tastes. The popularity of Tolkien must
                therefore be explained as being for some non-literary reason.

                Wendell Wagner


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