RE: [mythsoc] Re:MISC. and MYTH
- That's right... they made Red Dragon into a film, didn't they? They did
justice to that whole dental theme? Ewwww
I did see Silence of the Lambs. I was trying to impress some guy or some
such silly reason. It was well made,I think, I gotta give it that. I don't
even like modern television; it's all full of people using nasty tones of
voice and sloppy thinking.
(But then, like the guy who reviewed Cutie Honey said, you should
understand that I liked both of the Charlie's Angels movies -- although in
my case I've only seen one.)
But I was thinking today, about modern myths, and do you think that space
opera is a modern myth? I mean, here we are, essentially stuck on this one
little rock, and yet there are stories upon stories about life in space,
from Jules Verne to Star Trek and beyond. It is like a part of our
mentality, is it some kind of comfort-space, the way some folks say we have
created religion/God so that we don't feel so alone? People in space
suits, with big space ships, going hither and thither, are now a totally
acceptable part of our visioning.
Course, forty years ago or so, it was slickety hair, a guitar or surfboard,
and tailfins, right?
I think Tolkien is beyond our control. He succeeded in ways that he could
never have imagined in creating a myth for the English and beyond.
Hobbits, like rabbits, are here to stay, whether we draw them correctly or
make them into cartoons.
Elizabeth Apgar Triano
amor vincit omnia
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> From: dianejoy@... <dianejoy@...>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Date: 3/3/2005 11:13:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [mythsoc] Re:MISC.
> I watched scary movies all the time as a kid; I hated the "Freddy" movies
> not because they were so scary, but because they were bad horror films.
> The movie that creeped me out as a kid was *Attack of the Giant Leeches.*
> Truly bad film. The film that gave me nightmares was one about a woman
> with cancer, and I think the lead was Carol Burnett, of all people (unless
> I misremember). My nightmare involved babies with cancer. Strange how
> minds work. *Red Dragon* was actually a pretty good film. ---djb
- The film was called MANHUNTER and was directed by Michael Mann. Actually, pretty well done, except that the FBI guy, Will, didn't have the gravitas of the original--a very interesting literary character, more interesting to me than Hannibal Lector. (In the movie, HL was played by the wonderful Brian Cox).
Yepper, the book was just about the last really creepy thing I ever read. The whole guy-in-a-wheelchair-on-fire thing stuck with me for weeks, and I decided i was just oo much of a wimp to continue with Thomas Harris.
Surely a "modern myth" would be Mary Shelley's FRANKENSTEIN, and it quickly got out of her control, too--the way of all good myths, and, I think, a sign of health. That which is fixed in stone is dead.
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From: "Elizabeth Apgar Triano" <lizziewriter@...>
>That's right... they made Red Dragon into a film, didn't they? They did
>justice to that whole dental theme? Ewwww
>But I was thinking today, about modern myths, and do you think that space
>opera is a modern myth?
>I think Tolkien is beyond our control. He succeeded in ways that he could
>never have imagined in creating a myth for the English and beyond.
>Hobbits, like rabbits, are here to stay, whether we draw them correctly or
>make them into cartoons.
>Elizabeth Apgar Triano
>amor vincit omnia
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- Hi Lizzie & the corps:
We need to make clear the utter uniqueness of the phenomena that was Tolkien--
and the Inklings. I tried to convey T's specialness in the 1997 program cover I
did for the Pepperdine Mythcon. Would that we could see that kind of genius
and group synergy again in our lifetimes. This is what I want to convey to all
newcomers. We've been very privileged to experience these authors.
Elizabeth Apgar Triano wrote:
> .....I think Tolkien is beyond our control. He succeeded in ways that he
> never have imagined in creating a myth for the English and beyond.
> Hobbits, like rabbits, are here to stay, whether we draw them correctly or
> make them into cartoons.
- Good morning, Bonnie and all;
> Hi Lizzie & the corps:Tolkien--
> We need to make clear the utter uniqueness of the phenomena that was
> and the Inklings. I tried to convey T's specialness in the 1997 programcover I
> did for the Pepperdine Mythcon. Would that we could see that kind ofgenius
> and group synergy again in our lifetimes. This is what I want to conveyto all
> newcomers. We've been very privileged to experience these authors.Well, yes, I will agree with that. Tolkien and the Inklings were a
phenomenon not likely to be repeated in our time, however, because our time
is different from their time. The more I read of and about Tolkien, the
more I am drawn in and amazed. Charles Williams' Arthuriad had a huge
impact on my life and thought for about a decade (and is probably just
I guess I almost thought it was something as a given, and so I felt more
compelled to defend ongoing myth-watching. I don't read as much as I'd
like, so I haven't been exposed to as many Tolkien-wannabes (plus, even
when I do have time, I avoid them -- if a back cover talks about orcs,
elves, halflings and kings, I don't read it, usually).
I suspect that only the future will be able to look back and see what the
corresponding gestalts of our time will have been, and I suspect they will
not be things that this list would prefer, because they will likely include
a large electronic-media-visual-interactive aspect. (Can you say,
A few folks have pointed out that there is mythic fantasy, and non-mythic
fantasy, and I'll agree with that as well. I still wonder about the mythic
aspect of space life -- my favorite examples are Norton's Free Traders and
Janet Morris' Dream Dancer books, but others will have their preferences.
Our inner lives are not bounded by our cultures being only of this earth.
Is life in space the spiritual realm of modern times? That which we have
not truly tasted but "know" must be out there, and can imagine in such
I guess I am a poet type... generally agnostic in the sense of not feeling
that one can be certain of God or no God and so on, but cannot imagine life
or thought without the layers that are myth both personal and cultural.
Apparently there are people out there who eschew the value of myth entirely
or feel that it can be put in a box. I push people's buttons with
flippancy, and others push mine with arguments that I feel are patronizing
and subjective. I stand on the bridge with Dante and experience flashes of
Great Creation through true contact with treasured other individuals, and
have some issues with reality I suspect, but that is not everyone's MO.
and I haven't even been drinking,
Elizabeth Apgar Triano
amor vincit omnia