on or off-topic
As much as I like the people on this list, including David B, Carl,
John R, Mike Foster, Janet and the many others whom I've never met,
sometimes I'm a little annoyed by the omnipresent topic of Tolkien. So
I'd be delighted to see posts on any subject besides Tolkien, as much
as I love Tolkien. Incidentally, the people who've recently come to
Myth Soc Rivendell Discussion Group meetings from TheOneRing.net
fandom have actually read and liked the book, as well as the movie, and
I've been thrilled to have them reinvigorate some of our discussions.
I don't know, yet, if they'll all stick with us to discuss Charles
Williams and Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, but some read Beowulf,
and we're planning another sort of Tolkien: "The Monsters & the
Critics," for a future discussion.
I don't know that I would describe Donaldson's work in quite the way
you do, but I did read his original four books or so, and I think there
are many interesting things to discuss about them. He had some great
ideas, and we could even discuss or perhaps argue about artistic
decisions he made. He also was a guest of honor at an earlier Mythcon,
and while I missed that one, many have since talked about what a nice
guy he was, and several authors (I think Patricia McKillip, for one)
have mentioned a debt to him in their own development. I think there
must be many in the Society who liked and admired his work. Actually, I
admire some aspects of it, myself.
And just because Carl doesn't want to hear discussions about the
artistic achievement or failure of a major fantasy motion picture
(apart from its relationship to Tolkien's original novel) doesn't mean
that you can't discuss them here. You could also discuss major fantasy
motion pictures like _Spirited Away_ here, regardless of how far they
might be from any direct Inklings component. Try to label your comments
in the subject line and Carl can skip them. (As I might, to be
honest--so don't do what I do so often, lump together comments on
Jackson, Tolkien and Donaldson. I might be sick of the former for now,
but I wouldn't want to miss the latter).
Incidentally, I have recently finished _A Hat Full of Sky_, getting
ready for Terry Pratchet's guest of honor gig at Minicon, later this
month, and I think it's a truly outstanding work. Much better than
_The Wee Free Men_, and more accessible and immediate than _The Amazing
Maurice . . .._. Discussion of the book would be entirely appropriate
On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:20 AM, email@example.com wrote:
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:34:47 -0000
> From: "karlstar2" <jalaubacker@...>
> Subject: Re: Question about the ROTK extended
> [ . . . .]
> In fact, this reminds me of one of the authors I do feel produced
> quality work, and that is Stephen R. Donaldson.
> How far off the topic of Tolkien are we allowed to stray?
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- Just to be clear: I have no problem with (some) discussion of the
movies as movies. What I wouldn't want to see is a flood of such. And
what I _object_ to -- the _only_ thing I object to in the discussion so
far -- is the notion that there is any obligation to avoid
"discouraging" or even inadvertently possibly seeming to "discourage"
movie-only-fans from participating in _this_ forum (as Bonnie was
claiming). If people are "discouraged" by the sort of criticism of
Jackson's treatment of Tolkien that occasioned Bonnie's warning, then
they probably wouldn't enjoy this forum much anyways. In any event, I
won't be muzzled in my criticism of Jackson's movies out of any concern
for the feelings of movie-fans; unless, of course, the moderator makes
You'll also note, David L., that I specifically pointed out that this
forum is _not_ limited to discussion of Tolkien, which someone had
implied was the case by a question of topicality (and further note that
no one else bothered to do so).
Oh, and just because David L. thinks it's OK to discuss any given topic
in this forum doesn't make it on-topic for this forum. That is
determined by the stated purpose of the forum (twice previously quoted)
and by the moderator who enforces it (or not), not by either David L.
or me. But my "vote" on the matter ought to have just as much weight as
David L.'s or anyone else's, to the extent that the moderator cares
about anyone's "vote". Certainly it is not in my power to prohibit
_anything_ so far as this list goes; but I have just as much right as
David L. to express my opinion on what is and what is not on topic.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lenander" <d-lena@...>
> As much as I like the people on this list, including David B, Carl,
> John R, Mike Foster, Janet and the many others whom I've never met,