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Re: [mythsoc] Oops and Paradise Lost

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  • Bonnie Callahan
    Hi David, and all of you: It occurred to me this eve that I m worried (probably co-dependently) about the possibility of discouraging film-led neo-scholars
    Message 1 of 4 , Feb 22, 2005
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      Hi David, and all of you:

      It occurred to me this eve that I'm worried (probably co-dependently) about
      possibility of discouraging film-led neo-scholars from feeling welcomed by our

      group--if we let too much of our "prejudices" leak out.

      We can have our emotions of indignation, frustration, condemnation; they're
      We have a right to them. Somehow, however, we have to mask some of that
      animosity on their behalf when they show up at our events. We want them to
      feel they
      can grow and flourish in the Mythsoc. Honey, rather than vinegar. That's what
      trying to spread on the toast here in Elaya. (Whether or no there's enough
      butter...Help, Bilbo!)

      Toast & vinegar tastes weird. Ugh. Anyone tried it? Does it depend on the
      bread used or whether
      it's Balsamic vinegar or otherwise?

      Love to all, Bonnie

      David Bratman wrote:

      > At 12:55 PM 2/22/2005 -0600, David Lenander wrote:
      > >Just because you tried and failed to read PL doesn't mean you shouldn't
      > >try again.
      > Had we but world enough and time, this boringness, m'lord, were no crime.
      > There's enough literature (and for me, much more music) which I find so
      > appealing on first encounter and which deepens of its own accord on
      > subsequent encounters that I'm not inclined to spend much time battering my
      > brains against literature which doesn't. Sometimes repeated work causes a
      > breakthrough. Just as often not. Were acquainting myself with all the
      > world's great literature one of my life goals, I'd do it anyway. Instead,
      > I've made my artistic goal an acquaintance with the world's great
      > (classical) music. (There are other forms of great music of which I know
      > less.) That's what I like more, that is quite enough to occupy any amount
      > of time I'd give to it, and that is where my efforts against the
      > intractable have won me greater rewards, and yet there are still composers
      > of whom I can say: I've really given these guys fair repeated tries over
      > many years, and I just don't like them.
      > >After all, how can you read CSL's book on the subject
      > >without reading the original?
      > Who says I have?
      > - David Bratman
      > The Mythopoeic Society website http://www.mythsoc.org
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    • David Bratman
      Bonnie, Let s distinguish film-led neo-scholars into two groups: a) those who have come to the book through the films, but have discovered that the book is
      Message 2 of 4 , Feb 22, 2005
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        Let's distinguish "film-led neo-scholars" into two groups:
        a) those who have come to the book through the films, but have discovered
        that the book is better [the ones that Mike and John are insisting are so
        b) those who prefer the films or who either can't or won't tell the difference.

        The first group we should welcome into the MythSoc. The second group we
        should not. They're welcome to do their own thing, but they should do it
        somewhere else. They wouldn't be happy here, and we wouldn't be happy with
        them. There are plenty of other forums for the movie folks and for the "I
        don't care if it came from the movie or the book or the gaming cards"
        folks. This is our forum, for people whose primary interest is the book.
        If it devolves into a movie club, there won't be anything like it left
        around here.

        I have no intention of trying to pretend that I think the movie is fine and
        dandy, or equal to the book in any way, shape or form, just to "spread
        honey" in front of people who don't share the Society's aesthetic.

        This is not to say we should blackball anybody. We should just make it
        clear that this is a society of people who love Tolkien's works, not a fan
        club of book-cum-movie-cum-gaming card undifferentiated LOTR fans. Anybody
        is welcome to join as long as they understand what they're getting into.
        I've spent a little time in Jackson clubs, and I know what I'm getting
        into: they should do us the same courtesy. Anybody who actually likes the
        movies, or for that matter the gaming cards, is welcome to join, just as
        long as they understand this is not that group. In practical terms, it's a
        matter of how we publicize and present the Society so that we attract the
        kinds of people we want to attract.

        There will always be those who call this attitude elitist. Ignore them.
        People who want a different kind of club should join or form a different
        kind of club, and welcome to it. We've been steering the MythSoc between
        the sectarian Scylla and the undifferentiated-fantasy Charybdis for nearly
        40 years now, and this is no time to stop. Above all we need to educate
        people like John's co-workers who can't see any substantive difference
        between Tolkien and Jackson.

        And, after all, if John and Mike are correct, we have nothing to worry
        about. All those folks discovering the movies will pass on to the book
        with little goat-cries of bliss, and they will be our bosom brethren.

        David Bratman
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