Re: [mythsoc] Fwd: Watership Down
- My immediate snide response to Tiffany is:
Do your own homework. This is a question from a homework assignment on the
book Watership Down, right? The way that this question is asked certainly
doesn't sound like the way that someone would naturally ask a question that
they're researching for their own benefit.
- In a message dated 3/21/00 1:30:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> response to TiffanyI think Wendell is right.
- In a message dated 03/21/2000 5:47:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<< think Wendell is right. >>
LOL so do I. My other thought was, er, maybe it's Tiffany's thesis and she's
trying it out for takers. I'd be tempted to add, "How does the sequel
support, modify, or alter the initial arguments?" But I deleted the initial
- Lizzie, here's the question that this Tiffany originally asked:
> Hi I have a question that I am very interested in finding the answer. Ifyou could
> help me I would appreciate it. Here it is :society.
> Throughout the years, numerous people have devoted themselves to the study
> of societal behaviors and the progression of society. It has been observed
> that certain elements are needed for the establishment of a social
> What are the elements to have a successful society and and whichcharacters
> from the novel Watership Down fulfill or provide these elements? How dothe
> dynamics of society change if any one of the elements is missing?I guess that I agree with Steve Savile that this is an awfully general (and
yet somehow vague) question to ask for a homework assignment, even if the
teacher has given the students two weeks to do it. I don't think the teacher
has thought through this question very well.
- Tiffany wrote:
> > What are the elements to have a successful society and and whichcharacters
> > from the novel Watership Down fulfill or provide these elements?This is a rather good question designed to get Tiffany a) to read the book
and b) to think about it. If =we= give her answers, what has she gained? A
grade, maybe, but not education.
>From: Stolzi@...I'm with Mary on this. My interpretation is that Tiffany doesn't need
>> > What are the elements to have a successful society and and which
>> > from the novel Watership Down fulfill or provide these elements?
>This is a rather good question designed to get Tiffany a) to read the book
>and b) to think about it. If =we= give her answers, what has she gained? A
>grade, maybe, but not education.
to do any research, online or otherwise. She just needs to read the book
and think about what she's read. Presumably she has some idea of what
a society needs, and I think it would be more interesting to have just the
kids' perspective on that than whatever answers they could get from adults.
- I'm with Mary and Berni on this. The question sounds like a term paper
assignment, and one that requires merely that the student read the book
and think about it a little. It's actually not a bad assignment, and in
fact I once wrote a Mythcon paper that discussed _Watership Down_ and
touched on this question.
Sure, teachers make assignments that either a) require the students to go
out, to the Internet or elsewhere, and do research; and/or b) require or
encourage the students to ask questions of experts or other people, but
these assignments will be phrased very differently.
I imagine that T-----y thought she was being very clever, prefacing the
quoted assignment with a sentence of her own, "I was wondering about ..."
but in fact her motivation is as transparent as Bilbo with the Ring on,
and if she actually succeeds in getting some helpful fool out there to
write her term paper for her, any teacher worth her salt will see right
through that too.
Y'know, one _could_ turn an assignment like this into a survey, by
picking a relevant close-ended (as opposed to open-ended) question about
the book and asking a lot of people (e.g. "Do you think that Adams
succeeds at showing ..., yes or no?"), and taking their answers and
comments and making a survey result of it as part of the paper. But a
student doing that should be honest about what they're doing, and this
wasn't that kind of question.
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- I don't know what the inquirer means by "social society." Is there an
"anti-social society," or some other kind? (CSL's sorns weren't very social
because they were pre-occupied; a lot like Oxford dons, I imagine!) ---djb.
> > Throughout the years, numerous people have devoted themselves to the
> > of societal behaviors and the progression of society. It has beenobserved
> > that certain elements are needed for the establishment of a socialsociety.
- In a message dated 3/21/00 11:01:47 PM Central Standard Time,
> It's actually not a bad assignment, and inYes, Adams definitely -wanted- to say something about society - witness the
> fact I once wrote a Mythcon paper that discussed _Watership Down_ and
> touched on this question.
prominence of Efrafra in the story. I'm sure General Woundwort, for
instance, is one of the characters the teacher wants discussed.
- Also, posting T's original question to this list may actually have been a
violation of privacy.
In a message dated 3/24/00 9:17:07 AM, verba001@... writes:
>From: "Joan Marie Verba" <verba001@...>
>>I think it would serve T well to review this entire discussion. If you
>>her e-mail address, Matt, please send it to me. I would like to send
>>whole set to her.
>>Incidentally, for any of you who would like to review old posts to this
>>list, the full history is archived at the list homepage at onelist.com.
>It is true that the Stewards authorized a public archive of this list,
>which can be inspected at www.onelist.com
>Still, in a previous post (and it's in the list welcome now, as a result
>discussions among the Stewards), I did recommend and encourage that items
>on this list not be forwarded off the list without the consent of the
>parties making the posts. I do recall that one participant in this
>discussion asked that his comments not be forwarded to the party specified.