Re: [mythsoc] Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell author says...
- At 01:53 PM 10/1/2004 -0500, Joshua Ellis wrote:
>I found a text copy of the interview on indigo.caOK about the name, because she doesn't say that he has no name, but that
>and from that it is clear she is referring to The Mouth of Sauron.
no-one knows it because he himself has forgotten it. That's quite
different from what Jack originally reported (doubtless simply misremembering).
However, she's wrong in saying that he's "a magician ... who comes out of
Mordor to do battle against our heroes." He represents himself as a herald
and ambassador, and while his soldiers give the signal for attack, he does
not fight himself. And though it is said that he knows "great sorcery,"
he's never shown using it. Some magician.
> OK about the name, because she doesn't say that he has no name, but thatPossibly. I was listening, not reading. But I'd swear that was what she
> no-one knows it because he himself has forgotten it. That's quite
> different from what Jack originally reported (doubtless simply
said. Anyone else lsien to it?
- Dear Joshua,
Thank you for the transcript and text quotation. This pedant thinks she
was a bit loose with her terminology!
Having forgotten a name does not mean that there is no name. On the
contrary, it expressly says that there is a name. (If I forget my
dentist appointment, that does not mean there was no appointment.) And
in the context of LoTR, Sauron, being a Maia, would have known his name.
Secondly, the Mouth of Sauron came as an emissary, not to do battle.
From: Joshua Ellis [mailto:josh@...]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell author says...
> She's thinking of the Witch King, the Lord ofI found a text copy of the interview on indigo.ca
> the Nazgul. He's otherwise unnamed (except for
> an occasional "Angmar" for the country he was
> once king of), and "witch" is close enough of
> a synonym to "magician". That's gotta be it.
>)and from that it is clear she is referring to The Mouth of Sauron.
From the interview:
The Raven King had an odd genesis. Ursula Le
Guin has a magician in the Earthsea trilogy
who has no name: the Grey Mage of Paln, whose
magic was so dubious, his name was forgotten. And
theres a magician in The Lord of the Rings, right
at the very end, who comes out of Mordor to do
battle against our heroes, and no one knows his
name because he himself has forgotten it.
From The Return of the King:
The rider was robed all in black, and black
was his lofty helm; yet this was no Ringwraith
but a living man. The Lieutenant of the Tower
of Barad-Dûr he was, and his name is remembered
in no tale; for he himself had forgotten it,
and he said: "I am the Mouth of Sauron."
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