Re: [mythsoc] Claims of expertise (was Re: Newest Greenman Review)
- Berni Phillips wrote:
> "Best book I've read all year!" -- Marion Zimmer Bradley ---> seen onFrom my days in the publishing industry I also recall that Anne
> so many books it's become a catch phrase in the Bratman household.
McCaffrey was extremely generous in the handing out of encomiums
to put on book covers.
- At 01:09 PM 7/7/2004 -0500, Patrick Wynne wrote ...
Oh yeah, and it's got that linguistic (and Middle-earth historical) stuff
in the back, too.
- David Bratman
- Who is Verlyn Flieger?
Elizabeth Apgar Triano
amor vincit omnia
- "...why not review it for its usefulness at swatting flies? As such,
_Road Goes Ever On_, a lightweight tome with a big flat surface, is
very useful indeed."
> - David BratmanDavid, you absolutely stop me in my tracks sometimes - thanks for
giving me my first howling laugh of the day!
- --- In email@example.com, David Bratman <dbratman@e...> wrote:
> At 06:52 AM 7/7/2004 -0400, Jack wrote:[snipping to get to the point]
> >Grey never claimed to be a Tolkien expert, just a fan.
> On the contrary.
> But Walker didn't say that. Walker said, "If you only have oneI don't agree. It is an expression of opinion, or preference. It is
> reference book on Tolkien on your shelf, it ought to be this one."
> That IS a claim of being a Tolkien expert. It states that the
> writer has a thorough knowledge and has made a considered judgment
> of the entire field.
also an endorsement, but anyone is free to endorse anything. Idiots
and fools make endorsements on every topic every day. Experts do,
too. In almost any given field of study, you pretty much have to be
or become an expert in order to weed out the informed (unsupported)
opinions from the uninformed ones (regardless of whether the latter
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Patrick Wynne <pwynne@g...> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Jack wrote, assessing the value ofIt is a very good resource for the study of the mythological world
> _The Road Goes Ever On_:
> > Not everything Tolkien wrote is interesting. This work is a bit of a
> > minor
> > fluff.
> The first sentence is a matter of taste; the latter sentence is a bit
> of major nonsense.
> The scholarly value of Tolkien's linguistic commentaries on
> _Namárië_ and _A Elbereth Gilthoniel_ included at the end
> of RGEO is well known to anybody who has delved into the
> serious study of Tolkien's invented languages. There is much
> information here that is found nowhere else, and RGEO is a
> major text that is regularly cited in linguistic analyses. I should
> know; I've written a lot of them myself.
itself, not simply the linguistics. There are historical and cultural
details in this book which are found nowhere else.
So, I would strongly agree that THE ROAD GOES EVER ON is anything but
- From: "David Bratman" <dbratman@...>
>I don't know who this Jack Merry is (I read the review, too), but if he's
> And Jack Merry, reviewer of Swann's _The Road Goes Ever On_, is bored
> by sheet music. Spare me from the easily bored, or at least spare me from
> reviews about how easily bored they get.
bored by sheet music, he's no musician! I would much rather have a copy of
the sheet music than recorded music. I find it quite helpful not to have
someone else's interpretation (many of which I dislike anyway) of music. I
much prefer the source.
- From: "Jack" <jack@...>
> David, are you a fiddler? Most fiddlers including myself do not find sheet'Music
> music all that exciting. If we did, than such tunes as Simon Jeffe's
> for a Found Harmonium' would never ahve come to be considered traditionalDavid's not but I am. But you're talking about traditional folk music and
> by Irish musicians!
_The Road Goes Ever On_ is *art song*, a whole other genre of music.
It's more like Shubert -- you must look at the original source, both text
and music. See how the composer set it. In art song, the piano and voice
are partners -- Schubert was really the first to make them equal partners in
his lieder. Listen to his "Gretchen am Spinnrade" and you can hear the
piano filling in the emotional moods in places where the text has broken.
After the singer sings about his kiss, the spinning wheel accompaniment of
the piano stops and makes a few tentative starts, unable to get back to
business, as it were. After a few measures, both singer and piano are back
on the main theme. This is the tradition which Swann is working in.
P.S. "Erlkoenig" is very mythopoeic, too.
- From: "Michael Martinez" <Michaelm@...>
>"Best book I've read all year!" -- Marion Zimmer Bradley ---> seen on so
> It is also an endorsement, but anyone is free to endorse anything. Idiots
> and fools make endorsements on every topic every day. Experts do,
> too. In almost any given field of study, you pretty much have to be
> or become an expert in order to weed out the informed (unsupported)
> opinions from the uninformed ones (regardless of whether the latter
> offer support).
many books it's become a catch phrase in the Bratman household.
- A wonderful writer and scholar on the Inklings. The work I know of hers
best is *Splintered Light: Logos and Light in Tolkien's World.* It's
published by Eerdman's in Grand Rapids, MI. An Amazon search may net you
some of her later work.
From: Elizabeth Apgar Triano lizziewriter@...
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:41:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Newest Greenman Review
Who is Verlyn Flieger?
Elizabeth Apgar Triano
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