Re: [mythsoc] Pt 1 Frodos task in Tolkiens Lord of the Rings
- At 09:52 AM 5/1/2004 -0700, Walt Sheasby wrote:
>Frodo, on the other hand, unlike Tolkien, is a localist or particularist;_unlike_ Tolkien? Tolkien was very particularist in his love for his local
area, and his country (England, not Britain).
>18. J.R.R. Tolkien, On Fairy Tales, available in the collections Tree andI'm sure that Tolkien's estate and publishers will be very glad to know
>Leaf and The Tolkien Reader,
this illegal copy is online, so that it may be removed.
- David Bratman
- On May 1, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Walt Sheasby wrote:
> The original scene is much less heart-rending because Frodo's cry ofWhereas _I_ find the scene as Tolkien wrote it to be far _more_
> deprivation is not explicitly related to the beloved country.
effective and moving, because it shows Frodo's _utter_ isolation, not
just from his home -- everyone, after all, can become homesick -- but
from the natural world entirely.
Carl F. Hostetter Aelfwine@... http://www.elvish.org
ho bios brachys, he de techne makre.
Ars longa, vita brevis.
The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.
"I wish life was not so short," he thought. "Languages take such
a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about."
And what's with the weird Alan Paton reference? Frodo's agony over the
Shire has nothing in common with the agony over South Africa depicted in
Paton's novel "Cry, the Beloved Country."
- David Bratman
At 07:35 PM 5/1/2004 -0400, Carl F. Hostetter wrote:
>On May 1, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Walt Sheasby wrote:
>> The original scene is much less heart-rending because Frodo's cry of
>> deprivation is not explicitly related to the beloved country.
>Whereas _I_ find the scene as Tolkien wrote it to be far _more_
>effective and moving, because it shows Frodo's _utter_ isolation, not
>just from his home -- everyone, after all, can become homesick -- but
>from the natural world entirely.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Walt Sheasby
> The film script by Peter Jackson emphasizes nostalgiaand
> even beyond Tolkien's words. ...
> The original scene is much less heart-rending becauseGood grief, is THIS what Tolkien scholarship is coming to?
> Frodo's cry of deprivation is not explicitly related to the
> beloved country.
Jackson's movie dialogue being cited on the laughable
assumption that it has even a _whit_ of value to scholars
studying JRR Tolkien's thought, and held up as _superior_
to Tolkien's own writing no less? In an article purporting
to be about _Tolkien's_ "The Lord of the Rings"?
God help us if this is the shape of things to come.
-- Patrick H. Wynne