RE: [mythsoc] free Ring inside
- PS I have one of the Three, and a Silmaril, and I dare you to say anything
about either. Hmph.
I mean, I lean more towards agreeing with your arguments, sure, but I also
feel this is very subjective turf. Ie, I think it is preferable to "find"
mythic objects rather than buy pre-made ones... but that is no virtue I can
take credit for. They just haven't marketed the perfect Cernunnos for me
yet I suspect, although I think there is a copy of the Gundestrop out there
amor vincit omnia
- Lizzie -
This is not a question of "artistic vision," it's a question of
philosophical interpretation. And it's most emphatically not whether it
"works for me," it's whether it's a philosophical misinterpretation of Tolkien.
Who's to say what's a misinterpretation of Tolkien? That's for people who
know Tolkien's work to figure out. The person wearing the Ring has offered
an interpretation; I've given mine. If you want to offer a
counter-argument, offer one, but don't tsk and say that nobody can call
something else invalid. That's a fundamental moral relativism, which
Tolkien and Lewis stood against all their lives. Eomer asked, "How shall a
man judge what to do in such times?" and Aragorn replied, "As he ever has
judged. Good and evil have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one
thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to
discern them, as much as in the Golden Wood as in his own house."
And I have done my part to discern here - I will not say "good" and "evil",
nor even "right" and "wrong", but just "a reasonable interpretation of
Tolkien" and "a misinterpretation of Tolkien."
But I am a modern relativist too. As far as I'm concerned, we are free to
misinterpret Tolkien all we want. Any of us would hardly be the first.
(I'm a big fan of "Bored of the Rings" myself.) Just be aware when we're
At 02:24 PM 10/22/2003 , Lizzie wrote:
>Oh David, honestly. So it doesn't work for you. Who's to say that another
>person's artistic vision isn't valid? Tsk, tsk, tsk.
- At 02:28 PM 10/22/2003 , Lizzie wrote:
>PS I have one of the Three, and a Silmaril, and I dare you to say anythingI say it's rather sad. How could any imitation Silmaril possibly convey
>about either. Hmph.
even the echo of the Jewels that alone captured the light of the Two Trees
of Valinor in bloom, jewels wrought by the unsurpassable mind and hand of
Feanor? Even to try is to reduce Tolkien's brilliant imaginative creation
into a gee-gaw.
At 09:35 AM 10/22/2003 , Margaret Dean wrote:
>I've read of people wearing heavy washers around their necks toThat also misses the point. Had Frodo (or more likely Sam) carried a
>simulate the =weight= of the Ring. But that definitely
>emphasizes the "burden" part of it.
balance scale all the way to Mordor, no weighing of the Ring would have
detected even the slightest increase in physical weight. (See Tolkien's
comments on the nourishment of lembas in Letters p. 274 for the clearest
analogy.) The burden was a psychological one, and weighs Frodo down the
way sorrows can weigh a person down; only it was conveyed through the
external force of the Ring, which is why it's focused on that physical object.
Anyone who wants to replicate the burden of the Ring would be best advised
to acquire a martyred saint's relic and meditate on it.
- David Bratman
- Oh I should know better than to argue with a bully.
amor vincit omnia
- Lizzie, as I said before, if you want to offer a counter-argument, offer
one. Don't throw personal insults around. That's not proper behavior on
- They have many Rings of Power at Noble - Elrond, Galadriel, Nazgul King,
Gandolf, Aragorn, Gimli. I could see a romantic couple picking something
out that doesn't have the shadow of The One.
Actually what I find most disturbing, is the amount of decorative stuff
called "Elvish Script". It is Always the One Ring Inscription on all
sorts of jewelry and key chains, but never properly identified. I don't
think I want That Inscription as a piece of "decoration".
Meanwhile, in doing research, I started drooling over the Elvish and
Rohan Jewelry again. I wants ALL the headpieces, necklaces, and
broaches. Hm, some pretty rings (not of power) Unfortunately, I am not
the person who bought the lottery ticket in Santa Clara, so all I can do
is drool on the monitor. May be one for Chanukah?
- Just FYI, Lizzie unsubscribed from the list immediately after sending
her last message, and therefore isn't getting any replies.
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