- ... And an extra Seat Cushion! (for the numb butt) We re talking 9 + hours of film viewing here! Still I wonder if I can talk Big Harold into it :-)Message 1 of 9 , Oct 1, 2003View SourceSusanPal@... wrote:
>In a message dated 10/1/2003 12:45:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,And an extra Seat Cushion! (for the numb butt) We're talking 9 + hours
>>>Tuesday, December 16
>>>One-time-only marathon of both the Extended Edition prints followed by the
>>>screenings of The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King.
>Oy! Bring lunch -- and dinner!
of film viewing here!
Still I wonder if I can talk Big Harold into it :-)
- ... David, you don t know how much I needed a really good belly laugh today. On the money as usual. Thanks, KevinMessage 2 of 9 , Oct 1, 2003View Source"David S. Bratman" wrote:
> But that's not the worst of it. Gandalf's comparison of the storyline toDavid, you don't know how much I needed a really good belly laugh today. On the
> chess is a dead giveway: he thinks of the war itself as a giant war-playing
> I think I've finally figured it out. Jackson is not making a film of "The
> Lord of the Rings." He's making a film of a Lord of the Rings board game.
> I think that would explain a lot. As a film of Tolkien's book, it sucks
> and has always sucked. But as a film of a board game, it's really excellent.
money as usual.
- ... Touche. But I still think the application of the metaphor is typical of Jackson s thinking, not Tolkien s. Notice how Tolkien, almost uniquely amongMessage 3 of 9 , Oct 1, 2003View SourceAt 07:19 AM 10/1/2003 , Susan wrote:
>Doesn't Gandalf say, at some point in the written RotK, "The board is set,Touche. But I still think the application of the metaphor is typical of
>and the pieces are moving"? I can't find it at the moment, but I have a
>distinct memory of that; and if so, the chess metaphor is Tolkien's, not
Jackson's thinking, not Tolkien's. Notice how Tolkien, almost uniquely
among fantasy authors, is able to write giant strategy sessions (the
Council of Elrond and the Last Debate) that don't read like giant strategy
- David Bratman
- ... Have you played much chess? A talent of chess masters is to do things which the opponent can physically see but does not realize the significance of.Message 4 of 9 , Oct 1, 2003View SourceAt 07:32 AM 10/1/2003 , Janet wrote:
>One older article I ran across in my research speculated that SauronHave you played much chess? A talent of chess masters is to do things
>wouldn't have been that good at chess. He didn't seem to understand feints
>and sacrifices, and clearly couldn't see ahead to Gandalf's next moves.
>Then there's the gaming metaphor that was used in the original Star Trek
>somewhere -- Spock plays chess and Kirk plays poker. Spock's moves and
>forces are all out in the open; he has no secrets from his opponent except
>what's in his head. Kirk's hand is hidden -- you can't know for sure what
>resources he has or what he plans to do with them. So Gandalf is actually
>playing poker, not chess....
which the opponent can physically see but does not realize the significance
of. Sauron knows perfectly well that spies are being sent into Mordor. He
even captures one, and has his Lieutenant use his belongings to taunt the
invaders at the Black Gate. What he doesn't know is the significance of
what is happening. Frodo putting on the Ring at Mount Doom is as much the
equivalent of Gandalf suddenly and unexpectedly making a check or even a
checkmate as it is of Gandalf laying down the winning poker hand.
- David Bratman