3553Re: [mythsoc] Re: Article on Tolkien in _Salon_
- Jun 6, 2001At 07:32 AM 6/6/2001 , Michael Martinez wrote:
>--- In mythsoc@y..., "David S. Bratman" <dbratman@s...> wrote:OK, this time I'm not getting your joke.
>> At 08:33 AM 6/4/2001 , Michael Martinez wrote:
>> >When the media interviews me about Tolkien, I prefer to discuss
>> >the man himself, or his books.
>> As opposed to ...?
>Usually as opposed to whatever brings them to me in the first
>Some of the people on this list, I gather, were contacted for theI found my interview experience with Chris Mooney to be highly enjoyable.
>upcoming article in Wired (the print version). It should be
>published in a couple more months. I found that interview experience
>to be more enjoyable.
"Beware ... Beware!"
>> >I still run into this Tolkien cultThat may be its intent, but the likes of Mooney are going to interpret it
>> >nonsense and I just dismiss it. And I've pointed out to more than
>> >one reporter that when Shakespeare outsells Tolkien, I'll take the
>> >Bard a little more seriously than I have in the past.
>> That's a clever remark, but unfortunately it's also a cultish
>> defensive remark.
>It's intended to be a pseudo-literary snobbish defensive remark. It
>does make people stop and think about whether Tolkien's following
>should be regarded as a cult.
as meaning that you think that sales = quality. That's a cultish thing to
think, ergo you'd get tagged as a Tolkien cultist.
>I don't put Tolkien and Shakespeare in the same boat, if I'm asked toA big if. And if they ask, they probably won't print the explanation.
>explain the comparison.
>Shakespeare wrote for a different medium inI don't follow this reasoning. Shakespeare's defenders aren't defending
>a different time. But Tolkien's popularity exceeds Shakespeare's
>(today -- a comparison across the centuries is impossible, as you
>imply). If we are Tolkien cultists, then Shakespeare's admirers are
>Shakespeare cultists, and they should feel no more shame at being so
>labelled than we.
him on the grounds that he's popular. Indeed, they'd usually say he hardly
needs defense. Certainly they wouldn't make such an obviously defensive
Nor will more pointed comparisons work. Mooney seems to think Tolkien's
admirers are cultists because some of them dress up as Tolkien characters.
Well, guess what: some of Shakespeare's admirers dress up as Shakespeare
characters too. But somehow nobody thinks that makes them cultists.
>For better or worse, I believe the popular conception of TolkienThere will be more of a popular conception, but I don't see that conception
>fandom (if there has been one) will soon change radically.
changing much at all.
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