24134Re: [mythsoc] naugladur
- Feb 21, 2013John
One more thing to add - on the Qenya word NAUKA this is more likely derived from the Qenya base root NAQA- steal, take, get by stealth, unlawfully from which is derived
nak (q) - anything stolen, a theft, a trick
naqa- steal (past tense nanqe)
naqar - thief (PE 12: 64)
Seems like a much more appropriate Elvish etymology (given The Tale of the Nauglafring from the Elvish perspective) for dwarves then 'bite or sour'
On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Andrew Higgins <asthiggins@...> wrote:John
Hello. Happened to have all the early language Parmas open when I saw this email so did some quick glossing -
In the Gnomish Lexicon - the first part of his name (NAUGL) is glossed as (PE 11: 59)
- NAUGL - same as NAUG (a dwarf) from Qenya NAUKA
- NAUGLA - of or belonging to the dwarves
- NAUGLAFEL - dwarf natured i.e. - mean, avaricious (Greek - aischrokerods)
Now there is no Qenya word for NAUKA - there is the Qenya Base Root NAKA bite which has a past tense form NAUKE - so perhaps the Qenya word is related either to bite (biting rock) or a more negative sense NAKSA means sour. In the Qenya Phonology there is a note (PE 12: 10) about NAUVA meaning 'Giant is a word of the Uvanimor. Naxua entered Eldarin during their stay in Valinor - possibly again an Elvish negative meaning for Dwarf. Interesting crux!
Nautar 'dwarves' appears in the 'The Creatures of the Earth' (PE 14: 9)
Forms of the word NAUG are also found in the Qenya fragment Text VII of Lost Tales F (PE 15: 15) which is a fragment from the Story of the Naugafring - here NAUGLA is 'dwarf'
DUR - could possibly come from the Qenya base root TUR (PE 12: 96) with the consonant mutation changing the /T/ to /D/ (PE 11: 7)
So that gets us to 'A King Who Belongs to Dwarves.'
Hope that helps.
On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:00 PM, John Rateliff <sacnoth@...> wrote:
Here's another quick language-related question: is there an official gloss to the name Naugladur, the dwarf-lord of Nogrod in THE BOOK OF LOST TALES? I assume it means essentially "Lord of Dwarves" but didn't find it translated anywhere in HME.As usual, any help much appreciated.--John R.
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