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  • Larry Swain
    Jan 3, 2013
      Just to confirm for Jason, having just returned from my first viewing of the film, that Gandalf does explicitly give the color.
      Larry Swain
      On Thu, Jan 3, 2013, at 04:25 PM, Jason Fisher wrote:
      I was just reading the article and thinking a little bit about the question of what Peter Jackson can and cannot use. Here's an excerpt:
      Similarly, while Hugo Weaving’s elf lord of Rivendell, Elrond, recognizes that one of the swords recovered from the troll cave hails back to the goblin wars and once belonged to the king of Gondolin, an Elven city that fell to darkness, he fails to mention the king’s name, Turgon, and does not add that Turgon is actually his own great-grandfather. These details come from The Silmarillion and The Book of Lost Tales (published posthumously, in 1983 and 1984). “Elrond could have quite easily have said, ‘Hey, thanks for bringing that back, we wondered what came of that sword over the last 7,000 years,’ but he doesn’t,” Rateliff said.
      I think Peter Jackson could have said both that Turgon was the king of Gondolin and that Elrond was his great-grandson. This information is made clear in Appendix A of The Lord of the Rings. In section I (i), we read that "Idril Celebrindal was the daughter of Turgon, king of the hidden city of Gondolin", with a footnote pointing back to the passage in The Hobbit where the swords from Gondolin are discussed. That seems to give Jackson permission to use the name Turgon. In the same paragraph we learn, again just from The Lord of the Rings, that Turgon -> Idril -> Eärendil. A couple of paragraphs later, we learn that Eärendil -> Elrond. So both issues are perfectly within the film rights of The Lord of the Rings, aren't they?
      On the other hand, another excerpt:
      For instance, the mysterious blue wizards, who Gandalf briefly mentions to Bilbo in the movie, are identified by name only in Unfinished Tales, hence Gandalf conveniently “forgetting their names” to spare Jackson a potential lawsuit.
      Perhaps somebody can refresh my memory, but I'm pretty sure it is never said in The Lord of the Rings that the other two wizards' color is blue. I've only seen the film once. Did Gandalf give the color, or only mention that there were two other wizards? I seem to recall he gave the color too. The number would have been okay (there are a couple references to it in The Lord of the Rings), but the color should have been a bit outside Jackson's reach.

      From: Doug Kane <dougkane@...>

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      Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 12:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Smithsonian does The Hobbit
      Who is this "Rateliff" character they keep quoting? Winking smile emoticon
      Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:58 AM
      Subject: [mythsoc] Smithsonian does The Hobbit
      This just went up today, no doubt to celebrate Tolkien Day: a piece at Smithsonian.com about how Jackson wove together material from various sources to make his HOBBIT film. For those interested in such things, here's the link:
      --John R.

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