21922Re: [mythsoc] Murkierwood
- Feb 22, 2011Besides the almanac, simply going through the New York newspapers for the time-frame of the story’s setting would have been a basic research essential.As to JRRT travelling to the USA in 1970, very loud chuckles. Anyone’s who read Tolkien’s correspondence with Marquette regarding the U’s efforts to get him to visit Milwaukee in 1958 knows that the mere premise that Tolkien would fly to Noo Yawk torpedoes willing suspension of disbelief.Six words, seven words: when it’s as bad as that sample David quoted, the counter goes off.Maybe the Stewards should consider The Drinking Fountain Of Khazad-dum, wherein participants would read the worst line they came across this year.Back to Phantastes for Far Westfarthing smial pubmoot on Friday. Re-reading it for the first time in 40 years, I find myself more attuned to Tolkien’s view of MacDonald than CSL’s. But as a nap-inducer on a cold Midwestern afternoon, it’s hard to top.Cheers,Mike
I had to chuckle at your list of points, David, because some of these
details are easily researchered - like the Idlewild to JFK transformation.
And the reason I'm chuckling is that last Saturday I was on a panel with
Harry Turtledove and Barbara Hambly about doing just THAT KIND of research
for writing! One point we were highlighting was that in the readership for
any book there is going to be SOMEONE who is an expert on whatever you're
talking about. Why tick them off when you don't have to.
It's one thing when someone is warping reality for the sake of the story,
shifting historical details (such as James Owen does in his books - where
it is always in service to the story and he is well aware where he is
"stepping off the path" as it were). It's something else when details are
gotten wrong simply because the writer couldn't be bothered to verify
something (I once read a story where the writer had a character, who was a
radio reporter, win a Pulitzer for investigative reporting! How hard is it
to check an almanac and find out that the broadcast awards are the
Okay... sorry, it's a hobbyhorse for me this week.
> Has anyone else read the brief opening chapter available onthe website?
> There are some strange and apparently unnecessaryhistorical bloopers in
> it.actually be necessary for the plot.
> I'm leaving out the stuff that might
>me as I am creating them. ...
>>These creatures live to
>supposed quote from Tolkien's Letters doesn't
> As Doug Kane observed, this
> even sound remotely likehim.
>>As he deplaned at what was then Idlewild
>JFK for several
> This is set in 1970, by which time the airport had been
> years.recognizable as the chipper
>>the old manwas scarcely
>>Merton Professor of Anglo-SaxonLiterature
>professorial titles, the
> A hopeless amalgam of Tolkien's two separate
> secondfrom for over a decade by 1970.
> one of which he'd been retired
>would be observed, "after
>>For a man about whose life it
>>1925, nothing muchhappened,"
>measured, "And after this,
> The actual quote, from Carpenter, is the more
> might say, nothing else really
>>this lion of letters trudged in fear for the first
>>since he was eighteen at the Battle of theSomme.
> Tolkien was 18 in 1910. The Battle of the Somme, in which
> fight, took place in 1916.
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