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20506RE: [mythsoc] Tolkien, women, gender and brain-picking

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  • Croft, Janet B.
    May 11, 2009
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      I also just heard a paper at Pop Culture that covered the same ground as Rawls but didn't cite her. I told the presenter she needed to read both the Rawls and your paper (which is one of the most important ones on the topic, but I figured you knew that already...)


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      From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mythsoc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edith Crowe
      Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:34 PM
      To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [mythsoc] Tolkien, women, gender and brain-picking

      Yeah, Janet! What a librarian--I ask for a few examples and I get a whole
      bibliography. This makes me feel better because it confirms much of what I
      already have (in many cases telling me that my vague memory of some of these
      is fairly accurate) and adds some intriguing new items. An link between two

      Green, William H. ""Where's Mama?" the Construction of the Feminine in the
      Hobbit." Lion and the Unicorn 22.2 (1998): 188-95.
      An interesting mixed bag, making much of the lack of female characters. From
      his conclusion:
      "In *The Hobbit*, a revisionist version of the Victorian ideology, some
      feminine virtues--such as passivity and fear of adventure--are weaknesses to
      be overcome, but their masculine opposites, the restlessness and
      testosterone-driven ambition of the macho here, are vices. "

      He has a whole section with an argument similar to Melanie Rawls' below,
      although he seems unaware of it--he cites no journal articles at all, only
      13 books (including the infamous Catherine Stimpson's). Melanie's is one of
      the seminal (you'll excuse the expression) articles on Tolkien & gender,

      > Rawls, Melanie. "The Feminine Principle in Tolkien." Mythlore 10.4 (#38)
      > (1984): 5-13.
      > Explores the interaction of Masculine and Feminine principles (gender as
      > opposed to sex) in Tolkien's Middle-earth, showing how the balance of the
      > principles within a character is an important factor in his or her place in
      > the struggle of good and evil, evil resulting in many cases from an
      > imbalance of these principles.

      BTW, I think my own "Power in Arda: Sources, Uses and Misuses" in the
      Centenary Conference *Proceedings* isn't bad either.

      How about some opinions from thoses possessing a Y chromosome?

      > <much snipped>

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      > From: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com [mythsoc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edith
      > Crowe [correspondence@...]
      > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM
      > To: mythsoc@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [mythsoc] Tolkien, women, gender and brain-picking
      > I'm one of the presenters at the NEH-funded institute "J. R. R. Tolkien's
      > The Lord of the Rings: The Real and the Imagined Middle Ages" at
      > UT-Commerce
      > this summer. I'm supposed to be the gender expert, although where they got
      > that notion I have no idea. But hey, who turns down a free trip to
      > Commerce,
      > Texas in August? (See
      > http://community.livejournal.com/lotr_middleages/886.html if you wish, but
      > please be advised I did not write the blurb attached to my name, and its
      > hyperbole makes me by turns appalled and hysterical.)
      > I hereby humbly request that fellow scholars and aficionados help me out by
      > answering the following:
      > What do you think are the best and worst things written on the topic of
      > Tolkien and women/gender/the feminine, etc. in Tolkien's work (and
      > preferably why)? In addition (or instead of) what are the most widely held
      > wrong-headed notions about the previous topics held by scholars or the
      > general public?
      > I have some notions of my own but this group is more widely read and
      > variously opinionated than my head by itself. I just got a first deadline
      > of
      > June 1 for handouts to be copied, so I am suddenly more highly motivated
      > than heretofore, and your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
      > Replies can be sent to me at correspondence@...<mailto:
      > correspondence%40mythsoc.org <correspondence%2540mythsoc.org>> or shared
      > with the
      > list if you like.
      > --
      > Edith Crowe, Corresponding Secretary
      > The Mythopoeic Society
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