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18452Re: Medieval studies -- "Quenya" & "Sindarin" in LotR.

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  • Merlin DeTardo
    Jul 10, 2007
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      >>---"William Cloud Hicklin" <solicitr@...> wrote:
      >>Come to think of it, I don't believe the names "Sindarin"
      or "Quenya" actually appear anywhere in the narrative proper
      (unsurprisingly in the former case, since at the time it was
      still "Noldorin.")

      I never noticed that (or didn't not notice those missing words,
      rather)! Your comment sent me on a search of _LotR_, using Scull
      and Hammond's (wonderful) index to the 2005 one-volume, paperback
      edition. No doubt I'm repeating what others have done before, but
      for fun or further comment, here are the appearances of "Quenya"
      or "Sindarin", by those or other names, in order of appearance;
      references are to Book, Chapter, page(s):

      High-elven speech (I, iii, 81)
      Ancient Tongue (I, iii, 81)
      Ancient Speech (I, iii, 85)
      ancient tongue of the Elves beyond the Sea (II, viii, 377)
      high tongue of old (V, viii, 863)
      Valinorean (V, viii, 864)
      High-elven (App. A, I, ii, 1038; App. A, I, iii, 1039; App. F, I,
      1127; App. F, II, 1137)
      Quenya (App. D, 1107, 1110, 1111; App. E, I, 1113, 1114, 1115, 1116;
      App. E, II, 1118, 1120, 1121, 1122, 1123, 1126; App. F, I, 1127,
      1128, 1131)
      High-elven Quenya (App. E, 1113; App. F, I, 1128)
      Q. (App. E, 1113, 1114, 1115)
      High-elven tongue (App. F, I, 1131)

      Elvish (II, i, 233; II, iv, 307)
      Elvish tongue (II, iii, 283; App. A, III, 1074)
      elven-tongue of the West of Middle-earth in the Elder Days (II, iv,
      our woodland-tongue (II, vi, 339) [1]
      elven-tongue (II, vi, 342, 343; IV, iv, 659; App. F, I, 1129) [1]
      Elvish speech (III, viii, 555)
      noble tongue (V, viii, 864) [2]
      Sindarin (App. D, 1107, 1110, 1111; App. E, 1114, 1115, 1116, 1117;
      App. E, II, 1120, 1121, 1122, 1123, 1126; App. F, I, 1127, 1128,
      S. (App. E, I, 1113, 1114, 1115)
      Grey-elven (App. E, II, 1123; App. F, I, 1127, 1128, 1130, 1132)

      Apologies for any omissions or errors. Also for the missing
      diacritical marks in these notes:

      [1] S&H apparently refer to the terms "our woodland-tongue"
      and "elven-tongue" in the chapter "Lothlorien" when they index the
      same pages under both "Sindarin" and "Silvan Elves, language of",
      presumably per the first note to Appendix F (p. 1127), which says
      that Frodo at first misunderstood the accented Sindarin speech of
      the Lorien elves to be a Silvan tongue. (Though perhaps that note
      also should be indexed under "Silvan Elves, language of"?)

      [2] S&H give "noble tongue" as a name for Quenya. The only
      appearance I found for "noble tongue" is in "The Houses of Healing",
      where the herb-master uses it to describe the name "athelas",
      contrasting it to the name "asea aranion" in the "Valinorean"
      language, which is Quenya. I have listed "noble tongue" under
      Sindarin on the assumption that "athelas" is therefore a Sindarin

      ...and after searching for "athelas" on the lambengolmor list, and
      reading this post and its successors:


      I am a bit lost. So "athelas" is Sindarin, but with an unresolved
      etymology suggesting a strong element of Quenya (or Old English?) --
      is that right?
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