17284Re: About dwarves and their connection with nordic myth ...
- Dec 1, 2006As for 'the Problem of Balin', I've come to the conclusion that
> this represents a deliberate alteration by Tolkien of a name whichlike
> does appear in the EDDA, but the argument is too complicated for
> quick explication in an e-mail; drop me a line off-list if you'd
Dear Mr John,
I have read now the Dronke's pages you've gave me to read on your
previous message ...
She take some interresting choices to translate or traduce each of
the dwarfs-names occuring in the Dvergatal (roster of dwarves in the
Völuspá)but I've also mine whish are coming from some very acute
french translators (Lecouteux, Dillmann, Boyer) including also Zoegä
and Cleasby-Vigfusson Old Icelandic / English dictionnaries.
A point is to made to the problem of Balin you speak previously :
Curiously the names of Balin and Gloin are present also after the
Azanulbizar Battle between Orcs and Dwarves and the burning of the
Dwarven corpses (only one time in all the orcs/dwarfs war they burst
upon the text !) and when we take a look closely to these two dwarfs-
names we learned that :
bál, n. (1) fire ; slá b. = drepa eld ;
(2) flame, blaze ; gera b., to make a blaze ;
(3) pyre, funeral pile ; bera e-n à b., to carry to the pyre ; stíga
á b., to mount the pyre.
[ZoëgaCDOI], p. 45A
Balin may be from bál 'fire', and mean 'Burning-one'. (The -inn
terminaison in these names indicates a past participle form.)
[AllanGivingofNames], p. 223 (pp. 223-4 for other possible sources)
and for Gloin :
Glóinn The glowing one. Cp. glóa, 'to glow'.
[GouldPMLA], p. 948
Glóinn 'the glowing one'
[MotzFrümittelalterliche], p. 104
Glói Vsp. 15,4 R, Glóinn H; SnE I 66 GloiN rTW, gloni U; þul 5,2 d.c.
gloinn ; glóa, v. 'to glow'_'the glowing one'.
[MotzFrümittelalterliche], p. 114
glóa (að, or óða, -ót), v. (1) to shine, glitter (2) to glow with
[ZoëgaCDOI], p. 167B
[AllanGivingofNames], p. 222
[GouldPMLA], C.-N. Gould, Dwarf-names : a study in old icelandic
religion, in PMLA (Publications of the Modern Language Association of
America),n°44, 1929, p939-967.
[MotzFrümittelalterliche], Motz Lotte., New thoughts on Dwarfs-Names
in Old Icelandic, Frümittelalterliche Studien 7, 1973, P.100-117
[ZoëgaCDOI], Geir T. Zoëga, A Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic,
Dover Publication, INC. Mineola, New York 2004 (unabridged
republication of 1910), 551p.
[AllanGivingofNames], Allan Jim (éd) et al. An Introduction to Elvish
and to other Tongues and Proper Names and Writing Systems of the
Third Age of the Western Lands of Middle-Earth as set forth in the
Published Writings of Professor John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. Hayes
(Royaume Uni) Bran's Head Books, 1978, 303p.
If this dwarf-name (balin) could so mean the-one-who-carry-to-the-
pyre, or funeral pyre, why no one who speaks about these Balin
Problem said something like that ?
(The Gloin name reveals also a relation between these two names and
the funeral pyre and the burning of the dwarves !)
Everybody known also that Balin occurs a second time in the Lord of
the ring as a runic inscription on a tomb in Moria ?
Did this names as to be taken all the time as a simple coincidence ?
Or Text and rhymes shemes to fit with the other dwarfs-names ?
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