16679Re: [mythsoc] Tolkien, Barfield---and contemporary linguistic theory???
- Jun 2 7:32 AMI need to reread Splintered Light, I guess, but I had always thought that Tolkien was influenced by late 19th century philologists and early 20th century philologists who looked for ur-language and were more interested in concrete concepts than abstract, still under the influence of medieval thought that the name, the word, has the essence of the thing. Have I missed something?
> I agree with you about the relationship between Barfield and
> Tolkien--that is why I did not say "Tolkien AND Barfield." I have
> always thought the Prof. Flieger overstated the case. I suspect
> that a closer look at Tolkien will show up important distinctions
> from Barfield; I am quite sure that he would not accept the
> Steinerian twist on "evolution of consciousness". Fleshing out the
> differences would, I am sure, be illuminating. I have just read
> Poetic Diction for about the fifth time--a book I really love, but
> one that in some ways drives me crazy--and was struck by the
> prominence of the evolutionary theme, which I had really missed the
> first time or two through it.
> Thanks for the link, too.
> | On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:49:00 -0700
> | John D Rateliff <sacnoth@...> wrote:
> | Interesting field of inquiry, and I hope you'll let us know what you
> | turn up (or at least where you publish your end results). I did want
> | to note though that there's a major assumption in your query, when
> | you refer to "the theory of language held by Tolkien, that of
> | Barfield". While this has been suggested in the past (most notably in
> | V.F.'s SPLINTERED LIGHT), it has by no means been proven that Tolkien
> | adopted Barfield's theories. So long as you distinguish "was aware
> | of, and influenced by" from "accepted", I think you'll be okay.
> | A quick google search turned up a presentation by one Joseph
> | Subbiondo ("The Semantic Theory of Owen Barfield: The Study of
> | Consciousness in Linguistic Theory") that might be a start along the
> | lines you're investigating, assuming it's been published. Here's the
> | link: http://linguistlist.org/~naahols/Newsletter18.html
> | --JDR
> | On May 31, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Kevin Bowring wrote:
> | > Can anyone point me towards something to read evaluating the theory
> | > of language held by Tolkien, that of Barfield, in comparison with
> | > contemporary linguistics? I suspect that Tolkien and Barfield are
> | > rather wildly out of step with contemporary theory. I noticed in
> | > the Bibliography at the elvish.org website, for instance, a book by
> | > Jean Aitchison called Language Change: Progress or Decline?, but
> | > the bibliography is not annotated, so who knows what to do with it?
> | > If there is someone more knowledgeable than myself who has ever
> | > delved into these deep waters, I would greatly appreciate your advice.
> | > Kevin Bowring
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