16557Re: A question about a claim in _Tolkien on Film_
- May 3 4:30 PM--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, WendellWag@... wrote:
>Technically, Google is only reporting "pages", not "sites". A site
> I'm reading _Tolkien on Film: Essays on Peter Jackson's The Lord
> of the Rings_ at the moment. In Susan Booker's essay "Tales
> around the Internet Campfire: Fan Fiction in Tolkien's Universe",
> she makes the following statement:
> > At the time this essay was completed in early 2004, a quick
> > Google search revealed . . . _Lord of the Rings_ fan fiction,
> > 354,000 [websites] . . .
> She makes various similar claims throughout the article. O.K.,
> how can someone use Google to find the total number of websites
> containing any particular genre of writing? She could be just
> putting the words "Tolkien" and "fan fiction" (or
> maybe "fanfiction") into Google and giving the number of websites
> that it reports contain these words. Indeed, if I put "Tolkien"
> and "fan fiction" into Google today, it tells me that it finds
> 586,000 websites. It would be reasonable to think that in early
> 2004 it might tell us that it found 354,000 websites. (Note the
> rounding to the nearest thousand in each case.)
> Of course, this doesn't mean at all that most of these websites
> are Tolkien fan fiction. Most of them just happen to mention the
> words "Tolkien" and "fan fiction". I don't know of any automatic
> way to find websites of a particular genre without picking up a
> lot of them that only mention the genre.
may have thousands of pages. A page may be all there is to a site.
Furthermore, Google will include in those results any pages that
have links pointing to them which contain one or more of the
words "tolkien", "fan", "fiction", "fanfiction" in the anchor text.
She could have narrowed the search by forcing an EXACT FIND search
by putting quotes around the text. I get about 1700 hits today when
I do that, but who knows how many of those pages actually just
mention "tolkien fan fiction"? I get about 562 hits for "middle-
earth fan fiction" and 10,400 hits for "lord of the rings fan
But Google does not index the entire Web. There is probably far
more out there that Google hasn't found (as well as stuff it has
crawled but not added to the visible index).
> In the next article in the book "Make Mine "Movieverse": How theIt would, actually, be possible to compile a fairly extensive list
> Tolkien Fan Fiction Community Learned to Stop Worrying and Love
> Peter Jackson" by Amy Sturgis, Sturgis makes smaller and better
> researched claims. She talks about how many stories there are on
> specific websites. She doesn't make any claims about the overall
> numbers but only tries to distinguish between the various sorts of
> fan fiction.
of sites which host Tolkien fan fiction. I believe you would indeed
find thousands of stories out there. The 2005 MEFA Awards
(http://gabrielle.sytes.net/MEFA2005/) had, if I recall correctly,
several hundred submissions. Some of them were non-fiction (one of
my readers actually nominated a fair selection of my own essays, but
most were disallowed because I was paid to write them). But the
project promotes fan fiction primarily.
It may never be possible to search for all Tolkien-inspired fan
fiction, as many people will use words we wouldn't necessarily think
of as the most important descriptors for their stories.
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