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  • Charles Anderson
    Yeah I ve read that before, and it is an amusing read :-) What it says to me is that commercial ventures claim major inventions. About 30 years ago I knew an
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      Yeah I've read that before, and it is an amusing read :-)

      What it says to me is that commercial ventures claim major inventions.

      About 30 years ago I knew an inventor (Jim), that made a motorcycle engine that ran on water, catalysed hydrogen from water, and the exhaust was oxygen.  Jim was the closest thing to Wallace, from Wallace and Grommit, however his Grommit was a huge carp in a tank, that had a taste for human flesh (vicious b*stard).  Anyway he took his motorcycle to get registered, as he wanted to drive it to and from his shop.  The RTA (Roads and Traffic Authority), deemed it an experimental engine, and told him it would cost $15,000 a year to register... he dismantled it.

      Some of his inventions were really ground breaking, and he didn't want fame.  All he did, all day long was invent things, get a patent and sell the patent.  A lot of his patents were bought by existing product manufacturers an put in a bottom draw somewhere so they never see the light of day.

      I get a little bitter about these things, as I'm sure that there are lots of people that create brilliant things, just to see them lost in commercialism.  Even I had a few great ideas that I scrapped when I saw how much it cost to patent an invention.

      Sorry for the rant I'll pack my soap box away :-(



      Regards Charles from Oz


      Bill P wrote:
      Read the following and draw your own conclusions.... it's a good read.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_flying_machine
      The were ALL a part of what can be loosely termed " fledgling aviation" 
      as I see it...
      
      
      Charles Anderson wrote:
        
      Heh heh heh.
      
      The Wright Bros weren't the first with heavier than air powered 
      flight... it was a kook in New Zealand, they were the first to claim 
      the first flight though ;-)
      
      
      Regards Charles from Oz
      
          
      
      
       
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    • Peter Sanders
      Hi On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:30:24 +0800, Charles Anderson ... Because it was a THREAT to the oil companies! ... Of course to prevent competition or the creation
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        Hi

        On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:30:24 +0800, Charles Anderson
        <charlesanderson@...> wrote:

        > About 30 years ago I knew an inventor (Jim), that made a motorcycle
        > engine that ran on water, catalysed hydrogen from water, and the exhaust
        > was oxygen. Jim was the closest thing to Wallace, from Wallace and
        > Grommit, however his Grommit was a huge carp in a tank, that had a taste
        > for human flesh (vicious b*stard). Anyway he took his motorcycle to get
        > registered, as he wanted to drive it to and from his shop. The RTA
        > (Roads and Traffic Authority), deemed it an experimental engine, and
        > told him it would cost $15,000 a year to register... he dismantled it.

        Because it was a THREAT to the oil companies!

        > A lot of his patents were bought by existing product
        > manufacturers an put in a bottom draw somewhere so they never see the
        > light of day.

        Of course to prevent competition or the creation of a BETTER product -
        Hmmm? does that remind you of someone/company BG/MS?

        > I get a little bitter about these things, as I'm sure that there are
        > lots of people that create brilliant things, just to see them lost in
        > commercialism.

        Yes, I have NO DOUBT about that. That is why I have no concerns about the
        oil running out - well I do have concerns about the price going up.

        THERE WILL BE another method of transportation. I don't know exactly what
        but I know there MUST have been at least one other means of powering
        cars/motorcycles etc and your example above proves that!

        Human beings are an ingenious lot :) they are also (in too many instances)
        a greedy lot :(

        The oil companies are obsessed with profits, like TOO many corporations,
        they'll suck the last out of the consumer before they (corporations) give
        up. They'll buy out ANYTHING that will cut their profits. There will
        ultimately be a finite time for the oil depletion but there WILL be
        something to take its place.

        I for one would like to vote for magnetism! Magnetism for both levitation
        and propulsion, that WOULD be good.

        I have read stories of alien craft using the magnetic lines of force
        around the globe for motional purposes. I'd like to think this was true
        and that someday WE'LL figure this out :D

        > Even I had a few great ideas that I scrapped when I saw
        > how much it cost to patent an invention.

        Yes, that has prevented me from trying to patent my ideas, I know how you
        feel :(

        > Sorry for the rant I'll pack my soap box away :-(

        Thanks for the loan of the saop box :)


        > Regards Charles from Oz

        Heeyy! Regards Peter from Western Australia :)

        --
        Kind Regards

        Peter Sanders
      • Charles Anderson
        Peter, you re not related to a Dave Sanders by any chance? Regards Charles from Oz
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          Peter, you're not related to a Dave Sanders by any chance?  Regards Charles from Oz

          Peter Sanders wrote:
          Sorry for the rant I'll pack my soap box away :-(
              
          Thanks for the loan of the saop box :)
          
          
            
          Regards Charles from Oz
              
          Heeyy! Regards Peter from Western Australia :)
          
            
        • Peter Sanders
          Hi On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:12:07 +0800, Charles Anderson ... No :) (Not that I know of anyway) I am from Liverpool Ul originally, how about Dave? ... -- Kind
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            Hi

            On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:12:07 +0800, Charles Anderson
            <charlesanderson@...> wrote:

            > Peter, you're not related to a Dave Sanders by any chance? Regards
            > Charles from Oz

            No :) (Not that I know of anyway) I am from Liverpool Ul originally, how
            about Dave?

            >
            > Peter Sanders wrote:
            >
            >>> Sorry for the rant I'll pack my soap box away :-(
            >>>
            >>>
            >>
            >> Thanks for the loan of the saop box :)
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>> Regards Charles from Oz
            >>>
            >>>
            >>
            >> Heeyy! Regards Peter from Western Australia :)
            >>
            >>
            >>



            --
            Kind Regards

            Peter Sanders
          • Darwin Wandler
            I am amazed! The key thread here is that inventions come from individuals and not corporations. It is sad to see history manipulated to reflect the politics
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              I am amazed! The key thread here is that inventions come from individuals
              and not corporations. It is sad to see history manipulated to reflect the politics
              and not the science. The fact remains that the USA is the #1 power in the world
              because it does not sit on it's ass and wait for some one else to make it happen
              and scrape up the crumbs left in the wake. People like Pat take an idea and run
              with it with or without support and the world moves forward a better place.

              As with all things the corporations will live their life cycle and the people will
              become smarter and invoke change to move forward again. I don't doubt the
              internet will provide the ultimate divestiture of knowledge preventing the placement
              of great inventions in the closet due to greed. A true scientist and inventor , like
              Pat sets ideas free and his place in history will greatly excede any wealth he may
              amass.

              Darwin

              I pass the soap box on...

              Charles Anderson wrote:

              Yeah I've read that before, and it is an amusing read :-)

              What it says to me is that commercial ventures claim major inventions.

              About 30 years ago I knew an inventor (Jim), that made a motorcycle engine that ran on water, catalysed hydrogen from water, and the exhaust was oxygen.  Jim was the closest thing to Wallace, from Wallace and Grommit, however his Grommit was a huge carp in a tank, that had a taste for human flesh (vicious b*stard).  Anyway he took his motorcycle to get registered, as he wanted to drive it to and from his shop.  The RTA (Roads and Traffic Authority), deemed it an experimental engine, and told him it would cost $15,000 a year to register... he dismantled it.

              Some of his inventions were really ground breaking, and he didn't want fame.  All he did, all day long was invent things, get a patent and sell the patent.  A lot of his patents were bought by existing product manufacturers an put in a bottom draw somewhere so they never see the light of day.

              I get a little bitter about these things, as I'm sure that there are lots of people that create brilliant things, just to see them lost in commercialism.  Even I had a few great ideas that I scrapped when I saw how much it cost to patent an invention.

              Sorry for the rant I'll pack my soap box away :-(



              Regards Charles from Oz


              Bill P wrote:

              Read the following and draw your own conclusions. ... it's a good read.
              http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ First_flying_ machine
              The were ALL a part of what can be loosely termed " fledgling aviation" 
              as I see it...
              
              
              Charles Anderson wrote:
                
              Heh heh heh.
              
              The Wright Bros weren't the first with heavier than air powered 
              flight... it was a kook in New Zealand, they were the first to claim 
              the first flight though ;-)
              
              
              Regards Charles from Oz
              
                  
              
              
               
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            • Charles Anderson
              ... Nah, I knew the Sanders brothers for a while, still catch up with Dave on occasion, but definitely home grown. Regards Charles from Oz
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                Peter Sanders wrote:
                Hi
                
                On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:12:07 +0800, Charles Anderson  
                <charlesanderson@...> wrote:
                
                  
                Peter, you're not related to a Dave Sanders by any chance?  Regards
                Charles from Oz
                    
                No :) (Not that I know of anyway) I am from Liverpool Ul originally, how  
                about Dave?

                Nah, I knew the Sanders brothers for a while, still catch up with Dave on occasion, but definitely home grown.


                Regards Charles from Oz
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