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  • Pat
    Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the how to build introduction. It needs to explain
    Message 1 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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      Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

      It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

      Pat
    • Gordon Haag
      Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a
      Message 2 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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        Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.

        On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
         

        Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

        It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

        Pat


      • keith gutshall
        Hi Gordon  A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you can build.   Keith Deep Run Portage Back Shop The Lizard
        Message 3 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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          Hi Gordon
           A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
          can build.
           
          Keith
           
          Deep Run Portage
          Back Shop
          " The Lizard Works"
          From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
          To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
          Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

           
          Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.

          On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
           
          Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

          It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

          Pat




        • Gordon Haag
          I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.
          Message 4 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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            I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  

            On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
             

            Hi Gordon
             A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
            can build.
             
            Keith
             
            Deep Run Portage
            Back Shop
            " The Lizard Works"
            From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
            To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
            Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

             
            Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.

            On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
             
            Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

            It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

            Pat





          • Pat Delany
            Great job! ________________________________ From: Gordon Haag To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 2:42:23 PM
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              Great job!


              From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
              To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 2:42:23 PM
              Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

               

              Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.

              On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
               

              Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

              It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

              Pat


            • keith gutshall
              Hi Pat  Most people have no idea how thing are made,or what it takes to make it.  They just want to buy it at Wal-Mart.  Some where along the line, a metal
              Message 6 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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                Hi Pat
                 Most people have no idea how thing are made,or what it takes to make it.
                 They just want to buy it at Wal-Mart.
                 Some where along the line, a metal lathe was the key, to all the items that we use
                on a daily bases.
                 
                 Keith
                 
                Deep Run Portage
                Back Shop
                " The Lizard Works"
                From: Pat <rigmatch@...>
                To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:14 PM
                Subject: [multimachine] An important task

                 
                Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

                It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

                Pat



              • Pat Delany
                It s a light year better than anything I have done! Tyler s work deserves the very best intro. pat ________________________________ From: Gordon Haag
                Message 7 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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                  It's a light year better than anything I have done!

                  Tyler's work deserves the very best intro.

                  pat


                  From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                  To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 3:29:13 PM
                  Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

                   

                  I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  

                  On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                   

                  Hi Gordon
                   A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                  can build.
                   
                  Keith
                   
                  Deep Run Portage
                  Back Shop
                  " The Lizard Works"
                  From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                  To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                  Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

                   
                  Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.

                  On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                   
                  Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

                  It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

                  Pat





                • keith gutshall
                  Hi Gordon  We are just kicking around ideas.  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make useful thing. In some
                  Message 8 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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                    Hi Gordon
                     We are just kicking around ideas.
                     Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make
                    useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                     life sustaining equipment.
                     Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood
                    just as easy as metal.
                    It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                     
                     The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                    with it.
                     
                     Keith
                     
                     
                    Deep Run Portage
                    Back Shop
                    " The Lizard Works"
                    From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                    To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                    Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

                     
                    I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  

                    On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                     
                    Hi Gordon
                     A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                    can build.
                     
                    Keith
                     
                    Deep Run Portage
                    Back Shop
                    " The Lizard Works"
                    From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                    To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                    Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

                     
                    Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.

                    On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                     
                    Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

                    It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

                    Pat







                  • thunderclaw007
                    Hi all. Wouldn t a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically
                    Message 9 of 20 , Jul 10, 2011
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                      Hi all.

                      Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion. Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material.

                      Bob.
                      --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Gordon
                      >  We are just kicking around ideas.
                      >  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make
                      > useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                      >  life sustaining equipment.
                      >  Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood
                      > just as easy as metal.
                      > It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                      >  
                      >  The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                      > with it.
                      >  
                      >  Keith
                      >  
                      >
                      > Deep Run Portage
                      > Back Shop
                      > " The Lizard Works"
                      >
                      > From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                      > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                      >
                      >
                      >  
                      > I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  
                      >
                      >
                      > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >  
                      > >Hi Gordon
                      > > A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                      > >can build.
                      > > 
                      > >Keith
                      > >
                      > >Deep Run Portage
                      > >Back Shop
                      > >" The Lizard Works"
                      > >
                      > >From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                      > >To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                      > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                      > >Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > 
                      > >Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > 
                      > >>Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                      > >>
                      > >>It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                      > >>
                      > >>Pat
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Ian Newman
                      Hi Pat, First advice - don t use sentences, use bullet points to keep peoples attention. Second, I think the suggestion for content should have a different
                      Message 10 of 20 , Jul 11, 2011
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                        Hi Pat,

                        First advice - don't use sentences, use bullet points to keep peoples attention.

                        Second, I think the suggestion for content should have a different focus: Anyone interested in building a lathe already knows what it is and why they are doing it.

                        I think the introductory paragraph should outline the capability and commitment - i.e. the dimensional capacity in terms of length and throw, and a summary of the key materials.

                        Avoid making any statement about cost ("a 16 inch lathe for under $200" is meaningless to someone in any country other than the USA). Materials that are cheap (or 'free') in the USA may be extremely expensive or unobtainable in other countries.

                        As I see it anyone attempting to follow the instructions needs to know from the start what they need.  I suggest something along the lines of:

                        ------

                        These notes outline how to build a lathe capable of turning work up to X (insert appropriate number) inches in diameter and Y inches between centres.

                        Materials required include:

                        1) X (insert appropriate number) car cylinder blocks.

                        2) Two lengths of precision ground bar approx Y inches in diameter and Z inches longer than the maximum length between centres of the finished lathe (old hydraulic rams could be used).

                        3) X lbs (or kgs) of cement.

                        4) Y lbs of specialist non-shrinking grout.

                        Tools needed include:

                        1) Access to welding equipment capable of joining steel up to a thickness of ........

                        etc. etc.

                        --------

                        Anyone reading past such an introduction has already made the mental commitment and has 'bought in' to the project - they know what they need and they have decided that they can get or already have the necessary materials, tools and expertise.

                        Ian.



                        --- On Sun, 10/7/11, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:

                        From: Pat <rigmatch@...>
                        Subject: [multimachine] An important task
                        To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Sunday, 10 July, 2011, 20:14

                         

                        Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

                        It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.

                        Pat

                      • Walter Helbig
                        A lathe is the only tool that can replicate itself. you can use a lathe to make another lathe, no other tool can do that.  I m not saying it s easy but it can
                        Message 11 of 20 , Jul 11, 2011
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                          A lathe is the only tool that can replicate itself. you can use a lathe to make another lathe, no other tool can do that.  I'm not saying it's easy but it can be done.  I've seen old prints that have lathes made out of the readily available hardware.

                          --- On Sun, 7/10/11, thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@...> wrote:

                          From: thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@...>
                          Subject: [multimachine] Re: An important task
                          To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:18 PM

                           
                          Hi all.

                          Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion. Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material.

                          Bob.
                          --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Gordon
                          >  We are just kicking around ideas.
                          >  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make
                          > useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                          >  life sustaining equipment.
                          >  Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood
                          > just as easy as metal.
                          > It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                          >  
                          >  The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                          > with it.
                          >  
                          >  Keith
                          >  
                          >
                          > Deep Run Portage
                          > Back Shop
                          > " The Lizard Works"
                          >
                          > From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                          > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                          >
                          >
                          >  
                          > I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  
                          >
                          >
                          > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >  
                          > >Hi Gordon
                          > > A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                          > >can build.
                          > > 
                          > >Keith
                          > >
                          > >Deep Run Portage
                          > >Back Shop
                          > >" The Lizard Works"
                          > >
                          > >From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>
                          > >To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                          > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                          > >Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 
                          > >Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > 
                          > >>Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                          > >>
                          > >>It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                          > >>
                          > >>Pat
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >

                        • Pat
                          ... This is a good point! I ll do it when I can. ... I am really trying to be as inclusive as possible. At my age, I have a limited time to spread the word and
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                            --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, Ian Newman <ian_new@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hi Pat,
                            >
                            > First advice - don't use sentences, use bullet points to keep peoples attention.

                            This is a good point! I'll do it when I can.

                            >
                            > Second, I think the suggestion for content should have a different focus: Anyone interested in building a lathe already knows what it is and why they are doing it.

                            I am really trying to be as inclusive as possible. At my age, I have a limited time to spread the word and I find that many of the people I want to reach don't have a clue about machine tools. For me this is as much a social enterprise as a "How to Build" set of instructions. I personally would rather be mentioned on Al Jezera? than in a machinist magazine.
                            >
                            > I think the introductory paragraph should outline the capability and commitment - i.e. the dimensional capacity in terms of length and throw, and a summary of the key materials.
                            >
                            > Avoid making any statement about cost ("a 16 inch lathe for under $200" is meaningless to someone in any country other than the USA). Materials that are cheap (or 'free') in the USA may be extremely expensive or unobtainable in other countries.
                            >
                            > As I see it anyone attempting to follow the instructions needs to know from the start what they need.  I suggest something along the lines of:
                            >
                            > ------
                            >
                            > These notes outline how to build a lathe capable of turning work up to X (insert appropriate number) inches in diameter and Y inches between centres.
                            >
                            > Materials required include:
                            >
                            > 1) X (insert appropriate number) car cylinder blocks.
                            >
                            > 2) Two lengths of precision ground bar approx Y inches in diameter and Z inches longer than the maximum length between centres of the finished lathe (old hydraulic rams could be used).
                            >
                            > 3) X lbs (or kgs) of cement.
                            >
                            > 4) Y lbs of specialist non-shrinking grout.
                            >
                            > Tools needed include:
                            >
                            > 1) Access to welding equipment capable of joining steel up to a thickness of ........
                            >
                            > etc. etc.
                            >
                            > --------
                            I mean to include something like this on page 3. I have the feeling that stressing the 95 year old history of an extremely successful (but forgotten) machine design is important since I can't build one. This is why I have tried to limit the changes to the original design to things that are an obvious solution, use easily available materials, need no outside machining, very little welding or to something that I have built and tested (thread follower).

                            Pat


                            >
                            > Anyone reading past such an introduction has already made the mental commitment and has 'bought in' to the project - they know what they need and they have decided that they can get or already have the necessary materials, tools and expertise.
                            >
                            > Ian.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- On Sun, 10/7/11, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Pat <rigmatch@...>
                            > Subject: [multimachine] An important task
                            > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Sunday, 10 July, 2011, 20:14
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >  
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Pat
                            >
                          • David G. LeVine
                            ... * A mill is not more useful than a lathe, they complement each other. * On a lathe, you generally only have two axes, X and Z (parallel to the ways and
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                              On 07/10/2011 08:18 PM, thunderclaw007 wrote:
                              Hi all.  
                              
                              Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe?  On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion.  On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion.  Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material. 
                              

                              • A mill is not more useful than a lathe, they complement each other.
                              • On a lathe, you generally only have two axes, X and Z (parallel to the ways and perpendicular to the work axis.) 
                              • With careful setup, a lathe's single point tool can do more things than it appears.
                              • Lathes are not limited to bar stock, boring and surfacing of flat shapes is common.
                              Mills have their place, lathes have their place, the MM is a combination of a lathe and a horizontal mill.  It is not as limited as it appears.

                              Dave  8{)
                            • Thomas S. Knutsen
                              No, an milling machine is not more usefull than an lathe. With an bit of ingenuety one are avaible to do all you do in an mill in a lathe. In addition to this
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                                No, an milling machine is not more usefull than an lathe.
                                With an bit of ingenuety one are avaible to do all you do in an mill in a lathe.
                                In addition to this the lathe is the only machine that can build all the other machines, the Gingery series is an example of that.
                                One of the first types milling machine is in fact just an lathe that have an headstock that can be moved up and down (Lincoln type).

                                I just used my lathe to cut an internal gear, both boring of the hole (1") and cutting the tooths. Now try that in an milling machine.

                                BR
                                Thomas. 


                                2011/7/11 thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@...>
                                 

                                Hi all.

                                Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion. Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material.

                                Bob.
                                --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Gordon
                                >  We are just kicking around ideas.
                                >  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make


                                > useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                                >  life sustaining equipment.
                                >  Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood

                                > just as easy as metal.
                                > It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                                >  
                                >  The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                                > with it.
                                >  
                                >  Keith
                                >  

                                >
                                > Deep Run Portage
                                > Back Shop
                                > " The Lizard Works"
                                >
                                > From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>

                                > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                >
                                >
                                >  
                                > I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  
                                >
                                >
                                > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >  
                                > >Hi Gordon
                                > > A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                                > >can build.
                                > > 

                                > >Keith
                                > >
                                > >Deep Run Portage
                                > >Back Shop
                                > >" The Lizard Works"
                                > >
                                > >From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...>

                                > >To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                                > >Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > 
                                > >Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > 
                                > >>Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                                > >>
                                > >>It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                                > >>
                                > >>Pat
                                > >>
                                > >>
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                >




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                              • Stan Stocker
                                Actually it s quite possible on a milling machine. The catch is that it s easiest if you have a boring head or rotary table, while on a lathe the carriage
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                                  Actually it's quite possible on a milling machine. The catch is that
                                  it's easiest if you have a boring head or rotary table, while on a lathe
                                  the carriage gives you the boring range from near zero up to the nearly
                                  the swing of the lathe.

                                  I'm guessing you used a form tool and carriage travel to shave the gear
                                  teeth? You can always do this in a mill. It's just easier in a lathe,
                                  as you can wrap a dividing tape around the chuck rather than jig up
                                  either a rotary table or the equivalent.

                                  There sorts of arguments get to be mental gymnastics more than practical
                                  issues. Lets just tell the truth and say that some jobs are easier on a
                                  lathe, some on a mill. If working with earlier sorts of technology the
                                  lathe will almost always win out. If you have to fix all sorts of stuff
                                  you need both. The mill work MAY be possible on the lathe. Given a big
                                  enough horizontal mill you can do lots of chuck and faceplate sorts of
                                  lathe work in the mill.

                                  I do however go with those who say if you only have one, have a lathe.

                                  Folks love to say the lathe can replicate itself. Ever tried to
                                  actually build a lathe with only a lathe? Not as easily done as said.

                                  Best to all,
                                  Stan

                                  On 07/11/2011 01:50 PM, Thomas S. Knutsen wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > No, an milling machine is not more usefull than an lathe.
                                  > With an bit of ingenuety one are avaible to do all you do in an mill in
                                  > a lathe.
                                  > In addition to this the lathe is the only machine that can build all the
                                  > other machines, the Gingery series is an example of that.
                                  > One of the first types milling machine is in fact just an lathe that
                                  > have an headstock that can be moved up and down (Lincoln type).
                                  >
                                  > I just used my lathe to cut an internal gear, both boring of the hole
                                  > (1") and cutting the tooths. Now try that in an milling machine.
                                  >
                                  > BR
                                  > Thomas.
                                  >
                                • Pat
                                  One of the beautiful things about round ways and concrete is that if the lathe is long enough it is quite easy for a lathe to make more lathes. Milling
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                                    One of the beautiful things about round ways and concrete is that if the lathe is long enough it is quite easy for a lathe to make more lathes. Milling machines can also be built if you raise spindle speeds and make a larger carriage and cross feed.

                                    all duck soup!

                                    Pat

                                    --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, Walter Helbig <walter.helbig@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > A lathe is the only tool that can replicate itself. you can use a lathe to make another lathe, no other tool can do that.  I'm not saying it's easy but it can be done.  I've seen old prints that have lathes made out of the readily available hardware.
                                    >
                                    > --- On Sun, 7/10/11, thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > From: thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@...>
                                    > Subject: [multimachine] Re: An important task
                                    > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:18 PM
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >  
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Hi all.
                                    >
                                    > Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion. Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material.
                                    >
                                    > Bob.
                                    > --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, keith gutshall <drpshops@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Hi Gordon
                                    > >  We are just kicking around ideas.
                                    > >  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make
                                    > > useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                                    > >  life sustaining equipment.
                                    > >  Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood
                                    > > just as easy as metal.
                                    > > It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                                    > >  
                                    > >  The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                                    > > with it.
                                    > >  
                                    > >  Keith
                                    > >  
                                    > >
                                    > > Deep Run Portage
                                    > > Back Shop
                                    > > " The Lizard Works"
                                    > >
                                    > > From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@>
                                    > > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >  
                                    > > I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >  
                                    > > >Hi Gordon
                                    > > > A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                                    > > >can build.
                                    > > > 
                                    > > >Keith
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Deep Run Portage
                                    > > >Back Shop
                                    > > >" The Lizard Works"
                                    > > >
                                    > > >From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@>
                                    > > >To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                                    > > >Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 
                                    > > >Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 
                                    > > >>Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                                    > > >>
                                    > > >>It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                                    > > >>
                                    > > >>Pat
                                    > > >>
                                    > > >>
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • thunderclaw007
                                    A lathe will operate as a mill with a milling attachment, it will act as a grinder with a grinding wheel, etc. A mill will perform lathe operations with a
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                                      A lathe will operate as a mill with a milling attachment, it will act as a grinder with a grinding wheel, etc. A mill will perform lathe operations with a chuck that will hold stock instead of a tool, it will cut thread or grind with the proper attachments, etc. So back to the question of how to direct people to the tool and attachments that allow them to build the next step or build what they want?

                                      --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, "Pat" <rigmatch@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > One of the beautiful things about round ways and concrete is that if the lathe is long enough it is quite easy for a lathe to make more lathes. Milling machines can also be built if you raise spindle speeds and make a larger carriage and cross feed.
                                      >
                                      > all duck soup!
                                      >
                                      > Pat
                                      >
                                      > --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, Walter Helbig <walter.helbig@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > A lathe is the only tool that can replicate itself. you can use a lathe to make another lathe, no other tool can do that.  I'm not saying it's easy but it can be done.  I've seen old prints that have lathes made out of the readily available hardware.
                                      > >
                                      > > --- On Sun, 7/10/11, thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > From: thunderclaw007 <smileygirl7977@>
                                      > > Subject: [multimachine] Re: An important task
                                      > > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:18 PM
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >  
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Hi all.
                                      > >
                                      > > Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion. Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material.
                                      > >
                                      > > Bob.
                                      > > --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, keith gutshall <drpshops@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Hi Gordon
                                      > > >  We are just kicking around ideas.
                                      > > >  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make
                                      > > > useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                                      > > >  life sustaining equipment.
                                      > > >  Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood
                                      > > > just as easy as metal.
                                      > > > It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                                      > > >  
                                      > > >  The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                                      > > > with it.
                                      > > >  
                                      > > >  Keith
                                      > > >  
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Deep Run Portage
                                      > > > Back Shop
                                      > > > " The Lizard Works"
                                      > > >
                                      > > > From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@>
                                      > > > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                                      > > > Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >  
                                      > > > I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > >  
                                      > > > >Hi Gordon
                                      > > > > A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                                      > > > >can build.
                                      > > > > 
                                      > > > >Keith
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >Deep Run Portage
                                      > > > >Back Shop
                                      > > > >" The Lizard Works"
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@>
                                      > > > >To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                                      > > > >Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > 
                                      > > > >Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > 
                                      > > > >>Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>Pat
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                    • oldstudentmsgt
                                      Not really. The lathe is the fundamental machine. With that, and some hand tools, you can build anything else, including a mill. Not saying you don t WANT a
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                                        Not really. The lathe is the fundamental machine. With that, and some hand tools, you can build anything else, including a mill. Not saying you don't WANT a mill, btw. They are very useful, too. But it's harder to turn a drive shaft on a mill than on a lathe.

                                        And as others have pointed out, the MM is a combination machine, lathe and mill.

                                        Bill in OKC

                                        --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, "thunderclaw007" <smileygirl7977@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hi all.
                                        >
                                        > Wouldn't a mill be more useful than a lathe? On a running lathe you typically have 2 traverse and 1 axial motion. On a running mill you typically have 3 traverse and 1 axial motion. Additionally, a lathe normally works with bar stock while a mill works with any shape material.
                                        >
                                        > Bob.
                                        > --- In multimachine@yahoogroups.com, keith gutshall <drpshops@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Hi Gordon
                                        > >  We are just kicking around ideas.
                                        > >  Building a metal lathe is a large task, but after it is built, you have a way to make
                                        > > useful thing. In some parts of the world it may be the way to build or repair
                                        > >  life sustaining equipment.
                                        > >  Like Pat has said, it can make farming equipment, water pumps, it can turn wood
                                        > > just as easy as metal.
                                        > > It is the universal machine,it useful to make so many things.
                                        > >  
                                        > >  The machine I have is a most useful machine for me. I make all kinds of parts
                                        > > with it.
                                        > >  
                                        > >  Keith
                                        > >  
                                        > >
                                        > > Deep Run Portage
                                        > > Back Shop
                                        > > " The Lizard Works"
                                        > >
                                        > > From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@>
                                        > > To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:29 PM
                                        > > Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >  
                                        > > I wrote that in 2 minutes, it definitely needs some revision.  
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, keith gutshall <drpshops@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > >  
                                        > > >Hi Gordon
                                        > > > A metal lathe is the key to the industrial world.With that key,who knows what you
                                        > > >can build.
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >Keith
                                        > > >
                                        > > >Deep Run Portage
                                        > > >Back Shop
                                        > > >" The Lizard Works"
                                        > > >
                                        > > >From: Gordon Haag <mr.meker@>
                                        > > >To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:42 PM
                                        > > >Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >Where do all the metal objects around you come from? They are made with metalworking tools, the most versatile of which is the lathe. The MultiMachine is a lathe that is built using time-tested forms and methods, to be the cheapest and most accessible complex tool in the world.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pat <rigmatch@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 
                                        > > >>Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >>It needs to explain what a metal lathe is and does, why it's important to everything we do and how ours may be the most easy to build (and afford) lathe in history.
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >>Pat
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • Shannon DeWolfe
                                        Pat, I apologize for the lateness of this reply to your request for a short introduction to the concrete lathe. I have spent considerable time trying to
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                                          Pat,

                                          I apologize for the lateness of this reply to your request for a short
                                          introduction to the concrete lathe. I have spent considerable time
                                          trying to distill the message down to the requested three sentences. I
                                          did not succeed. It required four to complete the thought. I still feel
                                          like there is so much more to say! I started with half-a-page and ended
                                          up with this:

                                          A lathe is a machine that spins metal, glass, plastic or wood to allow
                                          well planned and accurate shaping. Since the time of the Pharaohs lathes
                                          have been used to make things that would be otherwise impossible to
                                          form. This book outlines a construction method first employed during WWI
                                          to rapidly build inexpensive lathes and other machine tools for the war
                                          effort. Utilizing concrete, a lathe of any size required can be built by
                                          anyone who has basic tools, can buy or salvage wood for a form, some
                                          pipe, various metal bits and a few bags of cement.

                                          Regards,

                                          Mr. Shannon DeWolfe
                                          --I've taken to using Mr. because my name misleads folks on the WWW. I am a 55 year old fat man.


                                          On 7/10/2011 2:14 PM, Pat wrote:
                                          > Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.
                                        • Pat Delany
                                          Shannon, I can think of a bunch of places where I am going use this! ________________________________ From: Shannon DeWolfe To:
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                                            Shannon,
                                            I can think of a bunch of places where I am going use this!



                                            From: Shannon DeWolfe <sdewolfe@...>
                                            To: multimachine@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Sat, July 23, 2011 3:20:24 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [multimachine] An important task

                                             

                                            Pat,

                                            I apologize for the lateness of this reply to your request for a short
                                            introduction to the concrete lathe. I have spent considerable time
                                            trying to distill the message down to the requested three sentences. I
                                            did not succeed. It required four to complete the thought. I still feel
                                            like there is so much more to say! I started with half-a-page and ended
                                            up with this:

                                            A lathe is a machine that spins metal, glass, plastic or wood to allow
                                            well planned and accurate shaping. Since the time of the Pharaohs lathes
                                            have been used to make things that would be otherwise impossible to
                                            form. This book outlines a construction method first employed during WWI
                                            to rapidly build inexpensive lathes and other machine tools for the war
                                            effort. Utilizing concrete, a lathe of any size required can be built by
                                            anyone who has basic tools, can buy or salvage wood for a form, some
                                            pipe, various metal bits and a few bags of cement.

                                            Regards,

                                            Mr. Shannon DeWolfe
                                            --I've taken to using Mr. because my name misleads folks on the WWW. I am a 55 year old fat man.

                                            On 7/10/2011 2:14 PM, Pat wrote:
                                            > Since most people will not read anything longer than 3 sentences. We need something about that long for the "how to build" introduction.

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