16950Re: [multimachine] Question about Factor e Farm
- Apr 8, 2013Technical y speaking this thread is off topic,,, and i am not a moderator- so i dont care :)There are a couple of series that has the post apocalypse post EMP blast\civilization come to a end scenarios. I have been told that one inventor cant make a toaster- because the raw materials have to be sourced from all over, that there are 10 steps at least to convert the raw materials into something usefull, 5 people that specialise in each ... in in a post apocalyptic world they might be scattered all over the world.This might be a "bit" exaggerated but it is reality. Farmers are been praised for their creative problem solving, but the reality is a lot of it has came from anger, irritation and then hopefully a eureka moment.This is even further of topic.. http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/Article.aspx?Id=4631&Showid=1about South African farmers started farming in the Congo. There are no Kmart\Walmart\Super market for a couple of hundred miles from there. Food is getting trucked in, or produced for own consumption. Closest would be in Namibia. Parts can get ordered- and then waited for... and a bit more.. to get the part eventually or the wrong part.This is a place where multi machines will be worth more than gold. The problem is that farming is a business that have about as many problems as a gold mine. Management, equipment, maintenance, planning, finance, accounting, logistics and security. And in the Congo it is worse. Very little that can be referred to as a road etc. But there are cellular phones.. (there is no land lines in most of Africa)But i really admire the Factor e Farm guys as well, everybody need cheaper tractors etc. A income for an poor African extended family is about (Jeremy in Kenya for example) is probably less than $200. (please note extended) So how can they afford a tractor of $200,000? And fuel? Maintenance?Kenya is one of the better countries.I find foreign aid to Africa amusing. A lot of the money end up in presidents bank accounts and a lot of it is used to keep the population in line. But not all of it.If it was not for foreign aid Africa would perish. Only by empowering African people will the continent become a better place. But that is just my opinion.PS... The South African farmers are safe in Congo, although South Africa lost some soldiers there this year.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22064193/ The reason is that the local population really want them there. Where as i that live in South Africa are a 100 times more likely to run across crime.just my 5 cents worth.Kobus van der WaltOn Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Gordon Haag <mr.meker@...> wrote:
Could you provide more information on your solder-making machine?Thank you,Gordon Haag
On Monday, April 8, 2013, Michael. Igbo wrote:Hi Dennis,Good work. I do not know how organize they are on ground. I am one of the true fans giving them money every month. I wanted to visit them this summer to get first hand experience of their work.Are you ready to share your work with MultiMachine group?Thanks.
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On 2013-04-08, at 9:19 AM, DENNIS SHELGREN <nojoeco@...> wrote:
I've had similar thoughts, but also working on a community type project myself it's kind of a strange thought process that occurs. Yes corporations are always needed at some point. For myself and other groups it's more a matter of letting them make money where they can and supply cheap resources, but at the same point not paying them the "big" money for development of badly needed low cost items like machinery and farm equipment. I'm working on a solar project myself and I limit myself to hardware store or salvageable materials, and some aluminum castings. Of course I still need to rely on companies to supply inexpensive electronics or rely on some funky mechanics(more expensive) to do certain things. Maybe someday I'll have an open source chip house or other electronics parts manufacturing off "the grid". I've learned the hard way several times that the economy of scale can kill or also make a project.
I've even started growing my own timber bamboo to play with more natural materials, I already make my own solder flux from my own pine trees, and have a machine to create solder wire from scrap lead.
Hope everyone is doing well and doing there own things too!
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