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  • subimal chakrabarty
    I was playing with the following pairs of possible headlines to report incidences: 1. 5 Hindu women were raped by XYZ party cadres vs. 5 humans (men can also
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 22, 2012
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      I was playing with the following pairs of possible headlines to report incidences:
      1. 5 Hindu women were raped by XYZ party cadres vs. 5 humans (men can also be raped, right?) were raped by miscreants
      2. 10 houses and 1 temple were burnt down in village V by XYZ caders vs. 10 houses and 1 place of worship were burnt down by miscreants
      3. The chief of a political party P instigated his followers to attack the members of a perceived rival group vs. Narendra Modi (Khaleda Zia) instigated his (her) cadres to attack Muslims (Hindus) in Gujarat (Bhola)
       
      I could have come up with more pairs. But the message is this: We are not perfect yet. We still have prejudices and sectarian, religious, and racial biases, let alone the political motives. We have seen reports that law enforcement agencies sometimes take part in communal riots. We have seen a recent news item sent by Mr. Parmer. A SC man's hands were chopped off as because he drank water out of the pitcher of a caste hindu. Sometimes some news items are sensitive and may provoke violence. In those situations it becomes necessary to tailor the news. A human rights activist cannot remain indifferent to such possible biases. It is his duty to shed light on it. Otherwise, the reporting will be incomplete. It will, however, be necessary to investigate and find the real truth. Even if the investigation reveals that no particular religious or racial hatred worked as the motive, the basic fact still remains that 2 muslims and 2 SC men were killed brutally by BSF. We still live in a world where a hindu is killed only because he is hindu, a muslim is killed only because he is a muslim, and an SC man is killed only because he is an SC man.
       
       Let us learn not to be too obsessed with possible appeasement policies adopted by "pseudo secularists." 
       
         

       
       
      From: qar <qrahman@...>
      To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:55 AM
      Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF
       
      To me the headline means - those kids were killed by BSF just because they were scheduled caste and Muslim. You can believe this story, but don't ask me to do so. I will wait until Kirity Roy learns to report news (or stories) without any hidden agenda. I was referring to a very particular headline that I have quoted in my comment, which was the hallmark of BNP/Jamat.

      >>>>>>>>>> I understand where you are coming from. HOWEVER it is like "Corrupting" news as per individual will. I also find it amusing that, you think "Kirti Roy" has a "Hidden" agenda to help MUSLIMs.

      Why is it so hard to imagine there are Muslims who suffer like rest of the population?

      There are plenty of theories about "Hidden agendas" but sometime explanations are the simplest of all. BNP/Jammat are POLITICAL parties and they are no different than political parties in this planet. They want to go back to power!!

      That is all. I do not know why Indian authorities are so careless about suffering of poor Bangladeshi and Indians? We are good neighbors (Based on Sub-continent standard) and have a lot of similarities. So what is stopping us from acting like genuine partners?

      Guess Indian policies are the biggest enemies of India...




      -----Original Message-----From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 6:28 amSubject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF
       
      To me the headline means - those kids were killed by BSF just because they were scheduled caste and Muslim. You can believe this story, but don't ask me to do so. I will wait until Kirity Roy learns to report news (or stories) without any hidden agenda. I was referring to a very particular headline that I have quoted in my comment, which was the hallmark of BNP/Jamat.
       
      By the way, the last paragraph of your comment was unnecessary; it was intended to irritate someone only.
       
      Jiten Roy
      --- On Fri, 4/13/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:

      From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>
      Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF
      To: "mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 7:45 PM

       
           If a subject-line reflects emotion of the sender then we can criticize that emotion, or the motive of the sender. But changing the subject line is not a good 'netiquette'.  Sukhamaya Bain changes the subject line of even renowned writers, not just the posts of BNP/Jamaat cadres. I find that extremely annoying and it is tantamount to trespassing.         If I may point out a mistake (perhaps deliberately made for extra emphasis) by Jiten Roy --- the title of the previous post was sent to me by Kirity Roy of MASUM, not BNP/Jamaat, and it was arbitrarily changed by Bain by his own sweet will. I had forwarded the mail to mukto-mona without any touching up or correction of punctuation or anything.It was:Subject: [mukto-mona] FW: Four teenagers from SC & Muslim communities were killed by BSF without using bulletst; Impunity continued                                                    Who decides what the "real news" of the story is? Four teenagers cruelly  killed is not REAL enough news?  Kirity Roy and his team of Human Rights workers on the ground, at the spot in the villages, gathering relevant information are dumb morons.  And for the "real news" at the India-Bangladesh border we have to get it from the big boss-man, the Chief "sompaadok mohaasoy" living in Markini-muluk, right?                 
      To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.comFrom: jnrsr53@...Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:04:05 -0700Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF 
       
      First of all - title like: "BSF Hayenas killed innocent Bangladeshi" does not reflect the real news of the cattle-thief and smugling stories.  It only serves as disinformation outlet of the BNP/Jamat propaganda machine. You should know this.
      Shukhamoy Bain did the right thing by changing the headline to reflect the real news in the story. I have opined on the story before to expose the facts behind the headline. Yet, BNP/Jamat gong keeps sending the same cattle-thief stories using the same heading again and again. I thought - only BNP/Jamat people would be annoyed by the change of headline. I guess - I was wrong.
      Jiten Roy--- On Fri, 4/13/12, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:

      From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>
      Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF
      To: "mukto-mona" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Friday, April 13, 2012, 10:03 AM

       
                   In these days of 'information super-highway' we have a deluge of messages every hour, every day.            Does Sukkhamaya Bain propose to sit as a Sentry to the gateway of all 'messages' and be the sole judge of deciding which ones are "misleading" and which ones are not? He even has the audacity of changing the headline or the title of a subject-line according to his own  personal, arbitrary judgment. This is extremely annoying!        More objectionable than this annoying practice is his roundabout logic behind it.  He says in one breath:
      <<Those boys were killed or tortured not because they were SC or Muslim; they were tortured and killed because they were smuggling cattle in the middle of the night across the India-Bangladesh border. >>
               OK. So the Indian Border Security Forces were perfectly justified in torturing and killing the boys, in this instance, and in all the instances in the past and in the foreseeable future. Right? Bain wants to insist that torture, mutilation, humiliation and killings are on the books as lawful punishment for smuggling across the India-Bangladesh border to be executed on the spot at the arbitrary whim of the Indian Security Forces.                But then Bain has another bout of thinking: ...  [T]he issue of cattle thieves being killed at the border should be raised as a human rights issue ...  he says in another breath. We agree with him on this point.
                      So why is the subject-line of the news bothering him so much that he has to EDIT it unilaterally? It really is an abhorent practice!  The cruel killings of people 'innocent until proven guilty', he says "should not be talked about in terms of how India or BSF treats Bangladesh or Bangladeshis in general". Awww! Isn't it toooooooooooooo bad!                    Go figure!
      To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.comFrom: subain1@...Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:58:11 -0700Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF 
      Here is another misleading news headline. This killing was not because the victim was a Bangladeshi, because he was a cattle smuggler/thief crossing the border illegally in the middle of the night.
       
      See how aggressive the cattle thieves could be. They killed a police officer and seriously injured two of his colleagues in Dhaka.
       
      Again, I think the issue of cattle thieves being killed at the border should be raised as a human rights issue, because in the civilized world, we provide a good deal of human rights even to criminals. It should not be talked about in terms of how India or BSF treats Bangladesh or Bangladeshis in general.
       
      Sukhamaya Bain
       
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      From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@...>
      To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:44 PM
      Subject: [mukto-mona] Re: Four cattle smugglers killed by BSF
       
      The title of the message was misleading. So, I have edited it a bit. Those boys were killed or tortured not because they were SC or Muslim; they were tortured and killed because they were smuggling cattle in the middle of the night across the India-Bangladesh border.
       
      Now, I am not suggesting that torturing and killing of cattle smugglers is an acceptable behavior for a state paramilitary force. These acts are condemnable by any civilized standard, and the perpetrators should be appropriately punished. However, I have been unwilling to entertain the big talks of Bangladeshis being killed by the BSF.
       
      Here is a case where four Indian citizens were tortured and killed by the border guards of India (BSF). There is no doubt that among the smugglers there are more Bangladeshis than Indians, and more Bangladeshis are likely to face the treatments of the jungle by the BSF. Yes, a lot of the law enforcement in our subcontinent is done via barbaric techniques. That is very wrong, and needs to be corrected; and looks like the Indian authorities are trying to do that for the cattle smugglers. The Bangladeshi news media and human rights group have been doing a disservice to their professions by portraying the criminals at the border as ordinary/innocent Bangladeshis.
       
      Sukhamaya Bain
       
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      From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>To:Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 2:24 PMSubject: [mukto-mona] FW: Four teenagers from SC & Muslim communities were killed by BSF without using bulletst; Impunity continued
       
      Look how the beastly BSF treats Indian citizens near the Indo-Bangladesh border area! ...................
       
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