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  • morganglory323
    Hello, all. Although I believe the earlier M32 s may have had fiberglass forward hatch covers, later models used a single piece of white opaque acrylic, maybe
    Message 1 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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      Hello, all.

      Although I believe the earlier M32's may have had fiberglass forward hatch covers, later models used a single piece of white opaque acrylic, maybe 3/8ths inch thick. This acrylic is specially formed to fit the opening, which makes it convex on more than one axis.

      Jenny,

      We also have a 323 and I've always worried about what to do if something happens to the forward hatch cover - have even thought about having a replacement made in advance while the existing hatch could be used as a pattern.

      I've never used STM industries but the person that probably said they could do the work (Falco Witkamp - I think that's how you spell it)
      worked for the company at the time (may well still be there) used to have a Morgan 32, so he is familiar with the hatch. The STM Industries web site seems to show they have the experience to do the work.

      If you're in or near a large town, you may be able to call a local plastics company to get their opinion, too. Please keep us updated so other M32 owners will know how they might go about getting a replacement.

      Jim

      --- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, USNCas@... wrote:
      >
      >
      > Jenny,
      > I suspect your hatch can be repaired, pretty easily. My M34 had a solid fiberglass front hatch. If yours is chipped, has a hairline crack or even cracked in half, it should be petty easy to fix. If you don't know how to use fiberglass, this would be a great project to learn on. If you don't' want to tackle the project I'm sure someone in your yard would be able to do it for you without too much expense.
      >
      > Dave
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
      > To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm
      > Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?
      >
      > Thanks for your help.
      > -Jenny
      >
    • Skip Gundlach
      Hi, all, Forming acrylic would be a fairly expensive job if you didn’t have the mold into which to vacuum it. OTOH, laying up fiberglass with epoxy (to
      Message 2 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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        Hi, all,
         
        Forming acrylic would be a fairly expensive job if you didn’t have the mold into which to vacuum it.  OTOH, laying up fiberglass with epoxy (to avoid the dreaded water solubility of polyester) will give a translucent, strong, flexible result if left unpainted – and the layup is pretty simple.
         
        My preference, obviously :{))
         
        L8R
         
        Skip
      • Jenny Thomas
        Thanks for everyone s input re: our hatch, it is the acrylic hatch, I guess my husband will be doing some fiberglass.   -Jenny From: Skip Gundlach
        Message 3 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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          Thanks for everyone's input re: our hatch, it is the acrylic hatch, I guess my husband will be doing some fiberglass.
           
          -Jenny

          From: Skip Gundlach <skipgundlach@...>
          To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 9:39 AM
          Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch

           
          Hi, all,
           
          Forming acrylic would be a fairly expensive job if you didn’t have the mold into which to vacuum it.  OTOH, laying up fiberglass with epoxy (to avoid the dreaded water solubility of polyester) will give a translucent, strong, flexible result if left unpainted – and the layup is pretty simple.
           
          My preference, obviously :{))
           
          L8R
           
          Skip


        • Zuzack, Tom
          Sent from my android device. Jenny, I priced having an acrylic replacement fabricated. Economically unfeasible. I had replacement fiberglass ones built through
          Message 4 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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            Sent from my android device.

            Jenny,
            I priced having an acrylic replacement fabricated. Economically unfeasible. I had replacement fiberglass ones built through Warren Pandy, from the old Morgan Yachts company. Falcon Witkamp can also make them and I suspect would do a good job. Otherwise you could use your present ones as a mold to make your own out of fiberglass.
            Tom

             

            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
            > To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm
            > Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?
            >
            > Thanks for your help.
            > -Jenny
            >

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          • Richard Shapiro
            If you do fiberglass, you could cut out the middle and replace it with a piece of lexan - a nice compromise. Rich
            Message 5 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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              If you do fiberglass, you could cut out the middle and replace it with a piece of lexan - a nice compromise.

              Rich

              On Oct 1, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Zuzack, Tom wrote:

               

              Sent from my android device.

              Jenny,
              I priced having an acrylic replacement fabricated. Economically unfeasible. I had replacement fiberglass ones built through Warren Pandy, from the old Morgan Yachts company. Falcon Witkamp can also make them and I suspect would do a good job. Otherwise you could use your present ones as a mold to make your own out of fiberglass.
              Tom

               

              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
              > To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm
              > Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?
              >
              > Thanks for your help.
              > -Jenny
              >


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            • Zuzack, Tom
              That s the way mine are built. Pecan on the center. Sent from my android device. ... From: Richard Shapiro To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
              Message 6 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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                That's the way mine are built. Pecan on the center.

                Sent from my android device.



                -----Original Message-----
                From: Richard Shapiro <rich@...>
                To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 3:27 PM
                Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch

                 

                If you do fiberglass, you could cut out the middle and replace it with a piece of lexan - a nice compromise.


                Rich

                On Oct 1, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Zuzack, Tom wrote:

                 

                Sent from my android device.

                Jenny,
                I priced having an acrylic replacement fabricated. Economically unfeasible. I had replacement fiberglass ones built through Warren Pandy, from the old Morgan Yachts company. Falcon Witkamp can also make them and I suspect would do a good job. Otherwise you could use your present ones as a mold to make your own out of fiberglass.
                Tom

                 

                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
                > To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm
                > Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?
                >
                > Thanks for your help.
                > -Jenny
                >


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              • Zuzack, Tom
                Sometimes auto correct can be a pain. I meant Lexan in the center. Sent from my android device. ... From: Zuzack, Tom To:
                Message 7 of 18 , Oct 1, 2012
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                  Sometimes auto correct can be a pain. I meant Lexan in the center.

                  Sent from my android device.



                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: "Zuzack, Tom" <zuzack.tom@...>
                  To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 4:55 PM
                  Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch

                   

                  That's the way mine are built. Pecan on the center.

                  Sent from my android device.



                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Richard Shapiro <rich@...>
                  To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 3:27 PM
                  Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch

                   

                  If you do fiberglass, you could cut out the middle and replace it with a piece of lexan - a nice compromise.


                  Rich

                  On Oct 1, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Zuzack, Tom wrote:

                   

                  Sent from my android device.

                  Jenny,
                  I priced having an acrylic replacement fabricated. Economically unfeasible. I had replacement fiberglass ones built through Warren Pandy, from the old Morgan Yachts company. Falcon Witkamp can also make them and I suspect would do a good job. Otherwise you could use your present ones as a mold to make your own out of fiberglass.
                  Tom

                   

                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
                  > To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm
                  > Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?
                  >
                  > Thanks for your help.
                  > -Jenny
                  >


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                • morganglory323
                  Epoxy generally does not do well in sunlight, so if you use it for the layup you will need to have an exterior treatment (paint?) or seek an epoxy resin with
                  Message 8 of 18 , Oct 3, 2012
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                    Epoxy generally does not do well in sunlight, so if you use it for the layup you will need to have an exterior treatment (paint?) or seek an epoxy resin with ultraviolet stabilizers that the manufacturer claims will hold up in direct sunlight. Also, I have seen more than one claim that gelcoat adheres much better to fiberglass than to cured epoxy.

                    Since the rest of the deck is made of gelcoated fiberglass my preference would be to do the layup with fiberglass resin. I _might_ also add a small, glassed-over crossmember or two to provide stiffness.

                    Jim


                    --- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, Jenny Thomas <philnjenny2004@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Thanks for everyone's input re: our hatch, it is the acrylic hatch, I guess my husband will be doing some fiberglass.
                    >  
                    > -Jenny
                    >
                    > From: Skip Gundlach <skipgundlach@...>
                    > To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 9:39 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch
                    >
                    >
                    >  
                    > Hi, all,
                    >
                    > Forming acrylic would be a fairly expensive job if you didn’t have the mold into which to vacuum it.  OTOH, laying up fiberglass with epoxy (to avoid the dreaded water solubility of polyester) will give a translucent, strong, flexible result if left unpainted â€" and the layup is pretty simple.
                    >
                    > My preference, obviously :{))
                    >
                    > L8R
                    >
                    > Skip
                    >
                  • Dave Kendle
                    I own a 1979 321 that came with the storm hood missing. I constructed a new one using epoxy and glass. The first gelcoat layer in the mold was straight
                    Message 9 of 18 , Oct 3, 2012
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                      I own a 1979 321 that came with the storm hood missing. I constructed a new one using epoxy and glass. The first "gelcoat" layer in the mold was straight epoxy I mixed some white pigment into. It worked pretty well, and has held up. Since I'm painting the rest of the deck though the storm hood will be painted also.

                      I had no old part to create a mold from, but since you have the old hatch it should be a piece of cake. I prefer epoxy since it is so much stronger. You could easily mold a flange into the hatch to accept a bolt in Lexan window if want.

                      All in all it's a pretty easy process if you use the right materials.

                      ------------------------------
                      On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 9:07 AM CDT morganglory323 wrote:

                      >Epoxy generally does not do well in sunlight, so if you use it for the layup you will need to have an exterior treatment (paint?) or seek an epoxy resin with ultraviolet stabilizers that the manufacturer claims will hold up in direct sunlight. Also, I have seen more than one claim that gelcoat adheres much better to fiberglass than to cured epoxy.
                      >
                      >Since the rest of the deck is made of gelcoated fiberglass my preference would be to do the layup with fiberglass resin. I _might_ also add a small, glassed-over crossmember or two to provide stiffness.
                      >
                      >Jim
                      >
                      >
                      >--- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, Jenny Thomas <philnjenny2004@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Thanks for everyone's input re: our hatch, it is the acrylic hatch, I guess my husband will be doing some fiberglass.
                      >>  
                      >> -Jenny
                      >>
                      >> From: Skip Gundlach <skipgundlach@...>
                      >> To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 9:39 AM
                      >> Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>  
                      >> Hi, all,
                      >>
                      >> Forming acrylic would be a fairly expensive job if you didn’t have the mold into which to vacuum it.  OTOH, laying up fiberglass with epoxy (to avoid the dreaded water solubility of polyester) will give a translucent, strong, flexible result if left unpainted â€" and the layup is pretty simple.
                      >>
                      >> My preference, obviously :{))
                      >>
                      >> L8R
                      >>
                      >> Skip
                      >>
                      >
                      >
                    • Zuzack, Tom
                      Jim, I believe you mean polyester vice epoxy resin as both are used with fiberglass. My fiberglass hatches are plenty strong enough without crossmembers. They
                      Message 10 of 18 , Oct 3, 2012
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                        Jim,
                        I believe you mean polyester vice epoxy resin as both are used with fiberglass.
                        My fiberglass hatches are plenty strong enough without crossmembers. They are probably 1/4 inch or so solid fiberglass and have no problem being stood on without any hint of flex.
                        Tom
                        1977 Morgan Out Island 41 Ketch

                        Sent from my android device.



                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: morganglory323 <j_goldin@...>
                        To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:07 AM
                        Subject: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch

                         

                        Epoxy generally does not do well in sunlight, so if you use it for the layup you will need to have an exterior treatment (paint?) or seek an epoxy resin with ultraviolet stabilizers that the manufacturer claims will hold up in direct sunlight. Also, I have seen more than one claim that gelcoat adheres much better to fiberglass than to cured epoxy.

                        Since the rest of the deck is made of gelcoated fiberglass my preference would be to do the layup with fiberglass resin. I _might_ also add a small, glassed-over crossmember or two to provide stiffness.

                        Jim

                        --- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, Jenny Thomas <philnjenny2004@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Thanks for everyone's input re: our hatch, it is the acrylic hatch, I guess my husband will be doing some fiberglass.
                        >  
                        > -Jenny
                        >
                        > From: Skip Gundlach <skipgundlach@...>
                        > To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 9:39 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch
                        >
                        >
                        >  
                        > Hi, all,
                        >
                        > Forming acrylic would be a fairly expensive job if you didn’t have the mold into which to vacuum it.  OTOH, laying up fiberglass with epoxy (to avoid the dreaded water solubility of polyester) will give a translucent, strong, flexible result if left unpainted â€" and the layup is pretty simple.
                        >
                        > My preference, obviously :{))
                        >
                        > L8R
                        >
                        > Skip
                        >

                      • Merlin Clark
                        I d also go with epoxy. I used to use polyester but since discovering epoxy (maybe 20 years ago?) I ve never looked back. The West System site has a ton of
                        Message 11 of 18 , Oct 3, 2012
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                          I'd also go with epoxy. I used to use polyester but since discovering epoxy (maybe 20 years ago?) I've never looked back.
                          The West System site has a ton of good info on procedures for repairs and building using epoxy. http://www.westsystem.com/ss/use-guides/ 
                          Procedures will fit for any brand of epoxy and accessories but you'll need to follow the manufacturers mixing instructions.
                          Also, be aware of "blush" and read up on it.

                          From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
                          To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 10:55 PM
                          Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch

                           
                          Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?

                          Thanks for your help.
                          -Jenny



                        • Richard Shapiro
                          I prefer epoxy, because it is less toxic to work with (you still don t want to breathe the fumes, though). Rich
                          Message 12 of 18 , Oct 3, 2012
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                            I prefer epoxy, because it is less toxic to work with (you still don't want to breathe the fumes, though).

                            Rich

                            On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Merlin Clark wrote:

                             

                            I'd also go with epoxy. I used to use polyester but since discovering epoxy (maybe 20 years ago?) I've never looked back.
                            The West System site has a ton of good info on procedures for repairs and building using epoxy. http://www.westsystem.com/ss/use-guides/ 
                            Procedures will fit for any brand of epoxy and accessories but you'll need to follow the manufacturers mixing instructions.
                            Also, be aware of "blush" and read up on it.

                            From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
                            To: morganowners@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 10:55 PM
                            Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch

                             
                            Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?

                            Thanks for your help.
                            -Jenny





                          • USNCas@aol.com
                            I used the method of using the old hatch (mine was a cockpit hatch) to build a new one. Solid fiberglass and as bullteproof as Charlie s original design. Dave
                            Message 13 of 18 , Oct 4, 2012
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                              I used the method of using the old hatch (mine was a cockpit hatch) to build a new one.  Solid fiberglass and as bullteproof as Charlie's original design.
                               
                              Dave


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                              From: Zuzack, Tom <zuzack.tom@...>
                              To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:32 pm
                              Subject: Re: [morganowners] Re: Morgan 323 Hatch

                               
                              Sent from my android device.
                              Jenny,
                              I priced having an acrylic replacement fabricated. Economically unfeasible. I had replacement fiberglass ones built through Warren Pandy, from the old Morgan Yachts company. Falcon Witkamp can also make them and I suspect would do a good job. Otherwise you could use your present ones as a mold to make your own out of fiberglass.
                              Tom
                               
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: Jenny <philnjenny2004@...>
                              > To: morganowners <morganowners@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 pm
                              > Subject: [morganowners] Morgan 323 Hatch
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Our forward hatch is cracked on our M32, Does anyone know of a resource for a replacement hatch. I've search the archived messages and a few years ago the was someone from STM Industries that says he could make one, is anyone familiar with this company?
                              >
                              > Thanks for your help.
                              > -Jenny
                              >
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                            • morganglory323
                              I also like epoxy - am currently using it in my water tank replacement project. I just wanted to point out a potential limitation when used as Skip described
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                                I also like epoxy - am currently using it in my water tank replacement project. I just wanted to point out a potential limitation when used as Skip described since it would get full-on UV light.

                                As Tom pointed out, I did mean polyester resin as a possible alternative.

                                Jim
                              • jc_n_val
                                BTW- epoxy is NOT FDA approved for potable water...
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                                  BTW- epoxy is NOT FDA approved for potable water...

                                  --- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, "morganglory323" <j_goldin@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I also like epoxy - am currently using it in my water tank replacement project. I just wanted to point out a potential limitation when used as Skip described since it would get full-on UV light.
                                  >
                                  > As Tom pointed out, I did mean polyester resin as a possible alternative.
                                  >
                                  > Jim
                                  >
                                • morganglory323
                                  Right. It s a polyethylene tank. The epoxy is for installing new supports since I could not get a tank of the same shape. - Jim
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Oct 6, 2012
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                                    Right. It's a polyethylene tank. The epoxy is for installing new supports since I could not get a tank of the same shape. - Jim

                                    --- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, "jc_n_val" <jc@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > BTW- epoxy is NOT FDA approved for potable water...
                                    >
                                    > --- In morganowners@yahoogroups.com, "morganglory323" <j_goldin@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I also like epoxy - am currently using it in my water tank replacement project. I just wanted to point out a potential limitation when used as Skip described since it would get full-on UV light.
                                    > >
                                    > > As Tom pointed out, I did mean polyester resin as a possible alternative.
                                    > >
                                    > > Jim
                                    > >
                                    >
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