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  • terryb_au
    Hello everyone, Please do your bit to complain to Yahoo about the new groups layout. Anyone who doesn t often visit the group home page should do so to see the
    Message 1 of 11 , Mar 26, 2005
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      Hello everyone,
      Please do your bit to complain to Yahoo about the new groups layout.
      Anyone who doesn't often visit the group home page should do so to see
      the new mess. The Yahoo feedback link is there. I will put the direct
      link to the feedback page below. I think this feedback link will work
      even if you are not signed in.

      http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/groups/cgi_alpha

      Here is a copy of one of my complaint feed backs.
      ************
      I really don't like the new look.I can't understand why any
      organisation would want to implement something NEW that is no where
      near as good as the OLD.
      Want message numbers against messages. Want to be able to go to any
      message number. Want messages in natural order not backwards.Etc Etc..
      Apart from the crappy archive search facility the OLD was MUCH BETTER
      than the NEW. PLEASE REVERT TO OLD if you cannot do major SUCCESSFUL
      FIXING of the awful, awful new layout. Cheers, Terry.
      ************
      Sorry for posting same message to several groups, but I think Yahoo
      needs to get lots of feed back or we will be stuck with the new look.
      Cheers
      TerryB
    • rdgl7
      Terry: I m with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now let s hope... Regards, Bob ... layout. ... see ... direct ... work ... Etc.. ...
      Message 2 of 11 , Mar 28, 2005
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        Terry:

        I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now
        let's hope...

        Regards,
        Bob

        --- In mlathemods@yahoogroups.com, "terryb_au" <terrybrown@o...>
        wrote:
        >
        >
        > Hello everyone,
        > Please do your bit to complain to Yahoo about the new groups
        layout.
        > Anyone who doesn't often visit the group home page should do so to
        see
        > the new mess. The Yahoo feedback link is there. I will put the
        direct
        > link to the feedback page below. I think this feedback link will
        work
        > even if you are not signed in.
        >
        > http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/groups/cgi_alpha
        >
        > Here is a copy of one of my complaint feed backs.
        > ************
        > I really don't like the new look.I can't understand why any
        > organisation would want to implement something NEW that is no where
        > near as good as the OLD.
        > Want message numbers against messages. Want to be able to go to any
        > message number. Want messages in natural order not backwards.Etc
        Etc..
        > Apart from the crappy archive search facility the OLD was MUCH
        BETTER
        > than the NEW. PLEASE REVERT TO OLD if you cannot do major
        SUCCESSFUL
        > FIXING of the awful, awful new layout. Cheers, Terry.
        > ************
        > Sorry for posting same message to several groups, but I think Yahoo
        > needs to get lots of feed back or we will be stuck with the new
        look.
        > Cheers
        > TerryB
      • Brian Drummond
        ... Me too. Try it with Netscape 4.08 or similar... Instant crash. Have left feedback (using Mozilla!) But Mozilla won t Save File As PDF files because Yahoo
        Message 3 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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          On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:

          >
          >
          >
          >Terry:
          >
          >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now
          >let's hope...
          >
          >Regards,
          >Bob

          Me too.

          Try it with Netscape 4.08 or similar...
          Instant crash.

          Have left feedback (using Mozilla!)
          But Mozilla won't "Save File As" PDF files because Yahoo messes with the
          URLs...

          - Brian
        • corey renner
          I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that you guys are wasting your time complaining about it. You seem to think that you are Yahoo s customers. You
          Message 4 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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            I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that you guys are
            wasting your time complaining about it. You seem to think that you
            are Yahoo's customers.

            You are not.

            Customers are people that pay for something, we pay nothing. Their
            customers are the advertisers that pay to get placement for their ads.
            We are more like volunteers who provide the free content that others
            come to read. Somewhere in the bowels of Yahoo, some marketing jerk
            is showing a pie-chart to explain to the execs how their new format is
            superior. This person's bonus will be based on whether or not his
            boss believes him (or her). Doing a 180 because the volunteers don't
            like it is political suicide. Individual people generally operate on
            the principal of greed.

            The only way that Yahoo will cater to us, is if some competing company
            has an online group service that begins to nibble at their market
            share. I'm watching google...

            c

            On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:18 +0100, Brian Drummond
            <brian@...> wrote:
            >
            > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:
            >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >Terry:
            > >
            > >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now
            > >let's hope...
            > >
            > >Regards,
            > >Bob
            >
          • Joe Taylor
            There is an other option find someone who can run a mail list not associated with any company. I belong to one, it is great no advertising, nothing but the
            Message 5 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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              There is an other option find someone who can run a mail list not associated
              with any company. I belong to one, it is great no advertising, nothing but
              the email. The trick is finding someone who has server access and has time
              to fool with it.

              Any of you on the list run an ISP?

              Joe
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: corey renner
              To: mlathemods@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:11 AM
              Subject: Re: [mlathemods] Re: OT NEW look, Please Complain.


              I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that you guys are
              wasting your time complaining about it. You seem to think that you
              are Yahoo's customers.

              You are not.

              Customers are people that pay for something, we pay nothing. Their
              customers are the advertisers that pay to get placement for their ads.
              We are more like volunteers who provide the free content that others
              come to read. Somewhere in the bowels of Yahoo, some marketing jerk
              is showing a pie-chart to explain to the execs how their new format is
              superior. This person's bonus will be based on whether or not his
              boss believes him (or her). Doing a 180 because the volunteers don't
              like it is political suicide. Individual people generally operate on
              the principal of greed.

              The only way that Yahoo will cater to us, is if some competing company
              has an online group service that begins to nibble at their market
              share. I'm watching google...

              c

              On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:18 +0100, Brian Drummond
              <brian@...> wrote:
              >
              > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:
              >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >Terry:
              > >
              > >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now
              > >let's hope...
              > >
              > >Regards,
              > >Bob
              >

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            • Chris Boyer (CB)
              OR :) Yahoo sees a decline in their subscribers (target audience for add space) which = A decline in the value of the advertising $ spent by the companies
              Message 6 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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                OR :)

                Yahoo sees a decline in their subscribers (target audience for add space)
                which =
                A decline in the "value" of the advertising $ spent by the companies placing
                all the Adds we try to avoid.

                The advertisers have marketing people as well. :)

                More than 1 way to look at it I suppose. :)

                There has already been some basic change to the new interface.




                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "corey renner" <vandal968@...>
                To: <mlathemods@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:11 PM
                Subject: Re: [mlathemods] Re: OT NEW look, Please Complain.


                >
                > I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that you guys are
                > wasting your time complaining about it. You seem to think that you
                > are Yahoo's customers.
                >
                > You are not.
                >
                > Customers are people that pay for something, we pay nothing. Their
                > customers are the advertisers that pay to get placement for their ads.
                > We are more like volunteers who provide the free content that others
                > come to read. Somewhere in the bowels of Yahoo, some marketing jerk
                > is showing a pie-chart to explain to the execs how their new format is
                > superior. This person's bonus will be based on whether or not his
                > boss believes him (or her). Doing a 180 because the volunteers don't
                > like it is political suicide. Individual people generally operate on
                > the principal of greed.
                >
                > The only way that Yahoo will cater to us, is if some competing company
                > has an online group service that begins to nibble at their market
                > share. I'm watching google...
                >
                > c
                >
                > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:18 +0100, Brian Drummond
                > <brian@...> wrote:
                >>
                >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:
                >>
                >> >
                >> >
                >> >
                >> >Terry:
                >> >
                >> >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now
                >> >let's hope...
                >> >
                >> >Regards,
                >> >Bob
              • Alan E. Lutz
                Corey, You right to a point. But, if we should all decide to go somewhere else, advetising sales would ultimately suffer as well. People only buy advertising
                Message 7 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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                  Corey,

                  You right to a point. But, if we should all decide to go somewhere else, advetising sales would ultimately suffer as well. People only buy advertising as long as it gets to their customers.

                  Now, on to some real stuff. I have been looking at your mill X-axis drive you built and am comtemplating a similar project. Do you know who has good (read reasonable) prices on the cog belt pulleys? Also, what sort of motor did you use?

                  Thanks for the feedback.

                  AEL


                  ---- corey renner <vandal968@...> wrote:

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                  <tt>
                  I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that you guys are<BR>
                  wasting your time complaining about it.  You seem to think that you<BR>
                  are Yahoo's customers.<BR>
                  <BR>
                  You are not.<BR>
                  <BR>
                  Customers are people that pay for something, we pay nothing.  Their<BR>
                  customers are the advertisers that pay to get placement for their ads.<BR>
                  We are more like volunteers who provide the free content that others<BR>
                  come to read.  Somewhere in the bowels of Yahoo, some marketing jerk<BR>
                  is showing a pie-chart to explain to the execs how their new format is<BR>
                  superior.  This person's bonus will be based on whether or not his<BR>
                  boss believes him (or her).  Doing a 180 because the volunteers don't<BR>
                  like it is political suicide.  Individual people generally operate on<BR>
                  the principal of greed.<BR>
                  <BR>
                  The only way that Yahoo will cater to us, is if some competing company<BR>
                  has an online group service that begins to nibble at their market<BR>
                  share.  I'm watching google...<BR>
                  <BR>
                  c<BR>
                  <BR>
                  On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:18 +0100, Brian Drummond<BR>
                  <brian@...> wrote:<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:<BR>
                  > <BR>
                  > ><BR>
                  > ><BR>
                  > ><BR>
                  > >Terry:<BR>
                  > ><BR>
                  > >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks for the link. Now<BR>
                  > >let's hope...<BR>
                  > ><BR>
                  > >Regards,<BR>
                  > >Bob<BR>
                  ><BR>
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                • corey renner
                  The motor (30vdc) came from a surplus place in San Jose, CA but the design can accomodate just about any motor of reasonable size. The belts and pulley s came
                  Message 8 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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                    The motor (30vdc) came from a surplus place in San Jose, CA but the
                    design can accomodate just about any motor of reasonable size. The
                    belts and pulley's came from Mcmaster.com All of the pulleys are the
                    plastic since they are MUCH cheaper than metal (just a few dollars), I
                    made an AL hub for the pulley that actually drives the table.

                    cheers,
                    c

                    On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:01:34 -0500, Alan E. Lutz <lutz48@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Corey,
                    >
                    > Now, on to some real stuff. I have been looking at your mill X-axis drive you built and am comtemplating a similar project. Do you know who has good (read reasonable) prices on the cog belt pulleys? Also, what sort of motor did you use?
                    >
                    > Thanks for the feedback.
                    >
                    > AEL
                  • Cletus L. Berkeley
                    COSTS US NOTHING TO VOICE OUR DISPLEASURE. Cletus
                    Message 9 of 11 , Mar 29, 2005
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                      COSTS US NOTHING TO VOICE OUR DISPLEASURE.
                      Cletus
                      --- "Chris Boyer (CB)" <boyercl@...> wrote:
                      > OR :)
                      >
                      > Yahoo sees a decline in their subscribers (target
                      > audience for add space)
                      > which =
                      > A decline in the "value" of the advertising $ spent
                      > by the companies placing
                      > all the Adds we try to avoid.
                      >
                      > The advertisers have marketing people as well. :)
                      >
                      > More than 1 way to look at it I suppose. :)
                      >
                      > There has already been some basic change to the new
                      > interface.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "corey renner" <vandal968@...>
                      > To: <mlathemods@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:11 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [mlathemods] Re: OT NEW look, Please
                      > Complain.
                      >
                      >
                      > >
                      > > I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that
                      > you guys are
                      > > wasting your time complaining about it. You seem
                      > to think that you
                      > > are Yahoo's customers.
                      > >
                      > > You are not.
                      > >
                      > > Customers are people that pay for something, we
                      > pay nothing. Their
                      > > customers are the advertisers that pay to get
                      > placement for their ads.
                      > > We are more like volunteers who provide the free
                      > content that others
                      > > come to read. Somewhere in the bowels of Yahoo,
                      > some marketing jerk
                      > > is showing a pie-chart to explain to the execs how
                      > their new format is
                      > > superior. This person's bonus will be based on
                      > whether or not his
                      > > boss believes him (or her). Doing a 180 because
                      > the volunteers don't
                      > > like it is political suicide. Individual people
                      > generally operate on
                      > > the principal of greed.
                      > >
                      > > The only way that Yahoo will cater to us, is if
                      > some competing company
                      > > has an online group service that begins to nibble
                      > at their market
                      > > share. I'm watching google...
                      > >
                      > > c
                      > >
                      > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:18 +0100, Brian Drummond
                      > > <brian@...> wrote:
                      > >>
                      > >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:
                      > >>
                      > >> >
                      > >> >
                      > >> >
                      > >> >Terry:
                      > >> >
                      > >> >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks
                      > for the link. Now
                      > >> >let's hope...
                      > >> >
                      > >> >Regards,
                      > >> >Bob
                      >
                      >
                    • R Thomas
                      I am not happy with the new look either, but it is mostly a cosmetic change. There are a few things that make it a hassle to read and browse but the
                      Message 10 of 11 , Mar 30, 2005
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                        I am not happy with the new look either, but it is
                        mostly a cosmetic change. There are a few things that
                        make it a hassle to read and browse but the
                        information is still there. People like Mr. Early
                        have spent countless hours of time in these groups and
                        will most likely continue with Yahoo. If esthetics
                        were everything, most of us wouldn't be married. Even
                        though Yahoo is less than perfect it is still the best
                        service of its kind.

                        I have the capability to host email lists, forums, and
                        galleries, but I continue to use the Yahoo groups.
                        Yahoo is the most established source and contains the
                        most information. If things ever get bad enough that
                        Mr. Early dicides to move to another location then I
                        would gladly host all of his information for free, in
                        one location. I would also be willing to create the
                        same groups and have the same moderators that
                        currently run the various lists.

                        Richard
                        www.homemachineshop.com

                        > Message: 1
                        > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:11:02 -0800
                        > From: corey renner <vandal968@...>
                        > Subject: Re: Re: OT NEW look, Please Complain.
                        >
                        > I agree that the new look stinks, but I think that
                        > you guys are
                        > wasting your time complaining about it. You seem to
                        > think that you
                        > are Yahoo's customers.
                        >
                        > You are not.
                        >
                        > Customers are people that pay for something, we pay
                        > nothing. Their
                        > customers are the advertisers that pay to get
                        > placement for their ads.
                        > We are more like volunteers who provide the free
                        > content that others
                        > come to read. Somewhere in the bowels of Yahoo,
                        > some marketing jerk
                        > is showing a pie-chart to explain to the execs how
                        > their new format is
                        > superior. This person's bonus will be based on
                        > whether or not his
                        > boss believes him (or her). Doing a 180 because the
                        > volunteers don't
                        > like it is political suicide. Individual people
                        > generally operate on
                        > the principal of greed.
                        >
                        > The only way that Yahoo will cater to us, is if some
                        > competing company
                        > has an online group service that begins to nibble at
                        > their market
                        > share. I'm watching google...
                        >
                        > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:28:18 +0100, Brian Drummond
                        > <brian@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:47:06 -0000, you wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > >Terry:
                        > > >
                        > > >I'm with you. Have just posted feedback. Thanks
                        > for the link. Now
                        > > >let's hope...
                        > > >
                        > > >Regards,
                        > > >Bob

                        >
                        > Message: 2
                        > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:24:29 -0800
                        > From: "Joe Taylor" <jtlr@...>
                        > Subject: Re: Re: OT NEW look, Please Complain.
                        >
                        > There is an other option find someone who can run a
                        > mail list not associated
                        > with any company. I belong to one, it is great no
                        > advertising, nothing but
                        > the email. The trick is finding someone who has
                        > server access and has time
                        > to fool with it.
                        >
                        > Any of you on the list run an ISP?
                        >
                        > Joe


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                      • Roy J. Tellason
                        ... I for one would be quite happy to see someone other than yahoo hosting this stuff. If all of a sudden the lists are removed, as well as all of the files,
                        Message 11 of 11 , Mar 31, 2005
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                          On Wednesday 30 March 2005 06:48 pm, R Thomas wrote:

                          > I have the capability to host email lists, forums, and
                          > galleries, but I continue to use the Yahoo groups.
                          > Yahoo is the most established source and contains the
                          > most information. If things ever get bad enough that
                          > Mr. Early dicides to move to another location then I
                          > would gladly host all of his information for free, in
                          > one location. I would also be willing to create the
                          > same groups and have the same moderators that
                          > currently run the various lists.

                          I for one would be quite happy to see someone other than yahoo hosting this
                          stuff. If all of a sudden the lists are removed, as well as all of the
                          files, and they are informed at that same time that the recent changes are a
                          large part of the reason for this change, it might have some effect.

                          Yeah, I use yahoo, but I sure don't like them much, for a number of
                          different reasons.

                          If you can do this, go for it!
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